Did David Cause 3 or 7 Years of Famine

Did David Cause 3 or 7 Years of Famine

Some websites claim that there is a contradiction in the Bible between 2 Samuel 24:13 and 1 Chronicles 21:11-12.  2 Samuel says that did David cause three or seven years of faminethere will be seven years of famine, whereas 1 Chronicles mentions only three years of famine.  Is this a Bible contradiction or can these verses be reconciled?  Here are the two passages in question.

2 Samuel 24:13  “So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? Or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? Or that there be three days’ pestilence in thy land? Now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him that sent me.” 

1 Chronicles 21:11-12  “So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee  (12)  Either three years’ famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel. Now therefore advise thyself what word I shall bring again to him that sent me.”

Bible Contradiction Solved

The solution is really simple.  Four years of famine had already taken place by the time that this message was given to David.  Gad went to David and gave him the prophecy from the Lord.  Then Gad asked David if he preferred seven full years of famine or the other options?  Not buying it yet?  Follow me on this one.

2 Samuel 24:13 says something strange when read from the King James Version (many newer versions cut this out even though it shows up in the Hebrew).  Verse 13 says Gad “told him and said unto him”.  Clearly a distinction was being made between the words of God and the words of Gad (no pun intended).

2 Samuel 24:13  So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land?

In other words, not everything Gad said to David was from the Lord.  This is important, because God specifically said three years.

Four Previous Years of Famine

How do we know that there had been four previous years of famine?  We get the four previous years of famine from the following two verses.  2 Samuel 21:1 declares that there had been three years of famine in the land.  We then learn in 2 Samuel 24:8 that it took David nine months and twenty days to number Israel.

2Sa 21:1  “Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites.”

2Sa 24:8  So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days.

This leaves us with a remaining two months and a week of missing time.  Did Gad round up or was there two months between the time that David finished numbering Israel and when Gad came to speak to David?  At this point it makes no difference.  The Bible is once again shown to be without error.

Don’t forget to check out the Bible Contradiction audio series below.

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Is God a Spirit or Does God Have a Body?

Is God a Spirit or Does God Have a Body?

In this article, we will discuss the differences between what Mormons are taught concerning the Father and what the Bible actually Is God a Spiritsays.  As you will see, the Bible claims that God the Father is a spirit.  Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bone.

“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (Joseph Smith D&C 130:22).

Anthropomorphic Language

Mormons argue that God must have a body because we were created after the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27).  They then proceed to cite scriptures that describe God with anthropomorphic language.  In other words, God is described in ways that make Him sound like He has a body.  For example, Moses was said to have spoken to God face to face (Exodus 33:11).  God is said to have a hand (Exodus 33:22-23).  God is said to have a face (Genesis 32:24-32).  God is said to have nostrils (2 Samuel 22:16).  But this is God using anthropomorphic language.  God is speaking of Himself in a way that humanity can understand.

When Jesus says He is the door (John 10:9), we don’t assume he is made of wood and swings on hinges.  When Jesus says he is the vine (John 15:5), we don’t conclude that he grows grapes.  When our Father says “He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust(Psalms 91:4 )”, we don’t believe that He is a big bird in the sky.

“he that hath seen me hath seen the Father”

Mormons also point at the fact that Jesus said “if you have seen me, you have seen the Father” (John 14:9).  They argue that since Jesus had a body, so must the Father.  What they fail to do is read down further in the passage where this idea is refuted.

John 14:10-11  “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.  (11)  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.”

How can the Father be in Jesus if the Father has a body?

God is a Spirit

God’s word is clear.  God is a spirit.

Joh 4:24  “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

Jesus teaches that Spirits do not have flesh and bones.

Luke 24:37-39  “But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.  (38)  And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts?  (39)  Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”

How much clearer does it need to be?

Isa 31:3  “Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen shall fall down, and they all shall fail together.” 

Hos 11:9  “I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.”

Num 23:19  “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

God forewarns of this error

Romans 1:22-23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  (23)  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”

The Book of Mormon says that God is a Spirit<h/2>

One again, The Book of Mormon is not inspired text, nor is it historically accurate.  Nonetheless, the following passages from the Book of Mormon proclaim that God is a spirit.

Alma 22:10 “And Aaron said unto him: Yea, he is that Great Spirit, and he created all things both in heaven and in earth. Believest thou this?”

Alma 32:15 “Holy, holy God; we believe that thou art God, and we believe that thou art holy, and that thou wast a spirit, and that thou art a spirit, and that thou wilt be a spirit forever.”

Once again, Mormonism has been shown to be false and Joseph Smith to be a false prophet.  I beg you to come out of Mormonism and trust in the true God of the Bible who sent His only Son to die on your behalf, for the forgiveness of your sins.  It’s really that simple.  For two thousand years since the time of Christ, believers have been trusting in Christ alone for the forgiveness of all of their sins.

Ephesians 2:8-9 “ For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:  (9)  Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

It’s not by following the precepts of the LDS church.  It is simply by the death of the savior, the perfect sacrifice, on the cross of Calvary, that you can be saved.
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Is the God of Mormonism Immutable?

Is God Immutable?

Does God change?  Does God grow in understanding or essence?  According to the Bible, God is immutable.  In other words, our God immutablecannot change.  He does not increase in power, because He already is all-powerful.  He does not learn new things because He already knows all things.

The God of Mormonism can and does change.  In other words, the God of Mormonism is not immutable.  As we have already discussed, Mormons believe that God was once a man as we are and progressed to become a God.  That is a fairly big change.

From a man to the God of this planet

As I mentioned before, Mormons believe that God was once a normal man that eventually progressed to godhood.

“As man is, God one was; as God is, man may become.” (Fifth LDS President Lorenzo Snow)

As you can clearly see, Mormonism believes in a changing God.  I cannot think of a greater change than a man becoming a God.

What does the Bible say?

The Bible clearly describes a God who does not change.

Mal 3:6  “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” 

Heb 13:8  “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” 

Psa 90:2  “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” 

Isa 43:10 “ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.”

Psa 102:27  “But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.” 

1 Timothy 1:17  “Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.” 

Jas 1:17  “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.” 

Psalms 102:26-27  “They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:  (27)  But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.”

Even the Book of Mormon describes an immutable God

Once again, I would like to stress that the Book of Mormon is neither inspired nor historically accurate.  Nonetheless, I find it interesting that the Book of Mormon clearly teaches about an immutable God. 

Moroni 8:18 “For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.”

Mormon 9:9-11  “9 For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no variableness neither shadow of changing?   10 And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then have ye imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles.   11 But behold, I will show unto you a God of miracles, even the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; and it is that same God who created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are.”

Alma 41:8 Now, the decrees of God are unalterable; therefore, the way is prepared that whosoever will may walk therein and be saved.”

3 Nephi 24:6 “For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

Once again we see that the Mormon view of the Father is not biblical nor are the Mormons preaching the same gospel.  Tomorrow we will examine more attributes of the God of Mormonism and compare them to the God of the Bible.

See also: The Many Gods of Mormonsim  http://youthapologeticstraining.com/mormonism-and-many-gods/

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Mormonism and Many Gods

Mormonism and Many Gods

Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a father god and that that father god also had a father god.  This progression of gods Mormon Templecontinues to go back forever thus they believe in an infinite amount of gods.  Does the Bible teach that there are other gods?  No.  In fact, the Book of Mormon even teaches there is only one God.   Today were going to look at quotes from Mormon apostles and prophets concerning many gods and then were going to refute the idea that there are many gods with the scriptures.  As an added bonus, we will also look at clear readings from the book of Mormon that say there is only one God.

Mormons prophets speak of many gods

“I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church 6:474).

“How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods…” (Brigham Young , Journal of Discourses 7:333).

“Three separate personages — Father, Son, and Holy Ghost — comprise the Godhead. As each of these persons is a God, it is evident, from this standpoint alone, that a plurality of Gods exists. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the only Gods we worship. But in addition there is an infinite number of holy personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to exaltation and are thus gods.”  Bruce McConkie

The Pearl of Great Price says there are more than one God

Pearl of Great Price 4:1-2 “And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.   2 And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and darkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods was brooding upon the face of the waters.” 

As a side note, the Book of Abraham (part of the Pearl of Great Price) was claimed to have been translated from an ancient Egyptian papyri.  This Egyptian papyrus has since been examined by scholars in the field of Egyptology and found that it had nothing to do with Abraham.  The papyrus was part of a funeral text called “the Book of Breathing”.  Once again, Joseph Smith has been found to be a fraud.

For more information:  http://www.mrm.org/book-of-abraham

Texts Mormons use to support their claim of many gods

Gen 1:26  “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

This is a scripture that can just as easily be used to support the doctrine of the trinity.  Genesis chapter one, does not contain a reference to many gods.

Psalms 82:1-8  “A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.  (2)  How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.  (3)  Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.  (4)  Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.  (5)  They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.  (6)  I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.  (7)  But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.  (8)  Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.”

Mormons often quote this passage in support of their belief that they can become gods.  What’s interesting is that this passage does not represent Mormon doctrine at all.  This passage calls the rulers gods even though they have not (as the Mormons believe) reached exaltation.  Notice also that God is chastising these men.  Why should we believe that they will be exalted to godhood?

The following verse is similar.

Joh 10:34  “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

It amazes me that LDS suggest that these scriptures support their belief that we can become gods.  It’s clear neither passage supports Mormon theology as both instances are referring to people that are still alive and are not exalted god beings.  Secondly, both instances involve Jews who are being chastised.  We get no indication that these Jews were on the path to exaltation.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6  “As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.  (5)  For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)  (6)  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

It’s argued that verse five teaches that there are many gods but if you read the verse in context it becomes clear that Paul is not saying there are many gods.  These idol worshipers believed in many gods and Paul was refuting that idea.  Just two chapters later, Paul explains what these idols represented.  He calls them devils.

1 Corinthians 10:19-20  “What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?  (20)  But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.”

If the Latter Day Saints would only read this passage in context they could see that Paul is not saying there are many gods.

There is only one God

Isa 44:6  Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isa 44:8  Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isa 43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 45:5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Jas 2:19  Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The Book of Mormon Teaches there is only one God

Oddly enough, even “the most correct book on earth”, the Book of Mormon clearly says there is only one God.  Obviously, the Book of Mormon is not a God inspired book, but I think it’s important to point out.  If the Book of Mormon was inspired of God and if Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, we should expect them to be without error.

Alma 11: 28 “Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God?   29 And he answered, No.  30 Now Zeezrom said unto him again: How knowest thou these things?  31 And he said: An angel hath made them known unto me.”

Alma 11:44 “Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.”

Mormon 7:7 “And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.”


Our God is one God.  There are no gods before him.  Neither is there going to be gods after him.  The Bible is clear on this.  Oddly enough, even the Book of Mormon agrees with this conclusion.

What do you think?  Is Joseph Smith a false prophet or is the Book of Mormon in error?  Why should anyone believe the words of Joseph Smith when he makes these kinds of blatant errors?
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Is the God of Mormonism immutable?



How Mormons View God the Father Part 1

Mormons believe that the Father is not self-existent

Because Mormons believe that God the Father was once a man born from a father, he is not self-existent.How Mormons view the Father

“We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father, and so one, from one generation to generation” (Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt , The Seer, pg. 132).

This concept that God was once a man who was born into a world is not found in the Bible, nor was it believed by anyone in the early church.  This is a new doctrine that comes from man, and not God.

John 1:1-3  “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  (2)  The same was in the beginning with God.  (3)  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Deu 33:27  “The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.”

We will discuss God’s eternal nature more in future posts in this series.  The Bible is clear that God is eternal, was not begotten and depends on nobody.  Furthermore, our God is the only God.

Mormons believe that the Father does not transcend creation

The God of Mormonism is a god of flesh and bones who was once begotten.  This god does not transcend all creation but rather works within creation.

God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!” (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345).

God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degrees of advancement” (Mormon Apostle John Widtsoe, Gospel Through the Ages, pg. 107).

God, angels, and men are all of the same species, one race, one great family…”(Orson Pratt Key to the Science of Theology, 1978 ed., pg. 21).

The Bible teaches no such thing.  This again is a doctrine of man and hearkens back to the lie in the garden.  Satan told Eve “ye shall be as gods”.  Since the garden, Satan has filled mens hearts with the lust of becoming a god.  What does God’s word say about this?

Isaiah 55:8-9  “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.  (9)  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

Romans 11:33-36  “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!  (34)  For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?  (35)  Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?  (36)  For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.”

Exo 33:20 “ And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.”(except Joseph?)

Jeremiah 23:23-24  “Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?  (24)  Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.”

Our God is not an exalted man.  Our God is all powerful and transcends all of creation.  In the coming days we will discuss scripture that clearly proves that our God is the only God.  We will also discuss more erroneous beliefs of Mormonism about God the Father.
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