What is Grave Sucking?

Have you heard of Grave Sucking?

Can the Word of Faith hyper-charismatic crowd get any more bizarre? What is with this new occult sounding practice often referred to as grave sucking?

Grave Sucking

When I first heard of grave sucking I assumed it must be a joke.  Surely no one would buy into something so silly.  Well my friends, this is for real.  Grave sucking or mantle grabbing is the belief and practice of pulling the supposed Holy Spirit powers from the dead bones of a previously empowered believer.  It is taught that when a Spirit empowered individual dies their mantle or mission dies with them.  In other words God’s mission for that believer was thwarted when that believer died.

There are anointings, mantles, revelations and mysteries that have lain unclaimed, literally where they were left because the generation that walked in them never passed them on. I believe it’s possible for us to recover realms of anointing, realms of insight, realms of God that have been untended for decades simply by choosing to reclaim them and perpetuate them for future generations.” Bill Johnson

Maybe that believer had a gift of healing.  Maybe they were an apostle, prophet or evangelist.  This of course assumes that they were actually empowered in these ways which I have serious doubts.  Whatever the case, now God’s plans for that particular anointing are placed on hold.  How does God correct this and get his plans back on track?

Grave sucking explained

We as believers must find a way to retrieve the mantle or anointing from the rotting corpse six feet under.  Only then can we get God’s plans back on track.  This is achieved by placing our hands on the gravestone of the deceased or lying on top of the grave.  Sometimes a prayer will be offered to God to aid in this perceived power transfer.

John Crowder grave sucking

I kid you not!  Some people actually believe this.  God’s plan has in fact been frustrated and now God needs us to seek out His lost anointing so we can bail God and His plans out. They believe that by laying there on the grave they will be able to pull the anointing from the dead.  It’s as if they believe the Holy Spirit is lost and doesn’t seem to realize that the person they empowered is dead and is no longer able to minister in this empowered way.  Suddenly the Holy Spirit senses someone is lying on the dirt six feet above His head.  The Holy Spirit, apparently not caring who is laying up there decides to jump into the new body giving them the supernatural abilities that the dearly departed once had.  Again this assumes that the person in the grave was in fact empowered by the Holy Spirit.

Benny Hinn Claims he Felt the Anointing at Mystic Aimee Semple McPherson’s Grave

I felt a terrific anointing when I was there. I actually, I—I, hear this, I trembled when I visited Aimee’s tomb. I was shaking all over. God’s power came all over me. … I believe the anointing has lingered over Aimee’s body. I know this may be shocking to you. … And I’m going to take David [Palmquist] and Kent [Mattox] and Sheryl [Palmquist] this week. They’re gonna come with me. You—you—you gonna feel the anointing at Aimee’s tomb. It’s incredible. And Kathryn’s. It’s amazing. I’ve heard of people healed when they visited that tomb. They were totally healed by God’s power. You say, ‘What a crazy thing.’ Brother, there’s things we’ll never understand. Are you all hearing me?” Benny Hinn

Grave Sucking or Mantle Grabbing is the Fast Track to Spiritual Power

For many who subscribe to hyper-charismatic type beliefs, it is thought that a person must spend much time and effort trying to achieved a state of Holy Spirit empowerment.  This is achieved by extensive prayer, worship, contemplative prayer, soaking, fasting and much more.  Mantle grabbing/grave sucking is seen as the workaround to achieving fast Holy Spirit empowerment.

“An inheritance in the natural can be anything a person values enough to leave to the next generation. It usually is either property or money and represents years and years of another person’s effort. If you receive an inheritance when you’re younger, say as a young, newly married adult, that inheritance can financially “jump start” your ability to have things that otherwise would have taken you years to attain. You might be able to buy a house, or live in a part of town only people higher up the corporate ladder can afford. You might be able to pay for your college education or buy a nice car. An inheritance allows you to start out ahead of where you would have been without it. With an inheritance, you receive for free what others worked to obtain.grave sucking 3

A spiritual inheritance works the same way. It enables us to start our Christian life at spiritual levels that might normally have taken us years to reach. Another generation’s “ceiling” in God can become our spiritual “floor.” Cal Pierce

“Lord, if a dead man can be thrown on the bones of Elisha and be healed, then I’m asking for the anointing that is on these bones of John G. Lake.” Cal Pierce

Does the Bible Support Grave Sucking?

First it must be stated that there is not a single scripture in the Bible that clearly describes grave sucking.  Are there any scriptures that seem to teach the concept of grave sucking?  There is only one.  That’s right.  The only scripture that even remotely comes near this subject is in 2 Kings.  It gives an account of a man coming alive after touching Elisha’s dead bones.

2 Kings 13:21  And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

Let’s look at this soberly.  Did this man who came to life receive Elisha’s mantle?  No?  Did he take up Elisha’s ministry and become a prophet of God?  No.  Did he receive any kind of Holy Spirit empowerment?  No.  The man received his life back and that’s it.   Why did this happen?  Some supporters of grave sucking suggest that it’s because there was power left in the bones of the prophet Elisha.   That is simply not true.  The Holy Spirit does not hang out with rotting corpses.  Elisha had prophesied before he died, about King Josiah’s victory over Syria (2 Kings 13:15-18).  God was putting His divine stamp of approval on Elisha’s last prophecy.  In other words, God was saying that it would come to pass.

God Decides Whom He Empowers

Our God is a sovereign God.  God is not one that we can manipulate.

1Co 12:11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

James 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

God Wants Us to Seek Him

Why would anyone want to seek a corpse for God’s blessing?  Does not God want us to seek only Him?

Isaiah 8:19  And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

grave sucking 4Grave Sites Were Considered Unclean

The Old Testament is pretty clear that visiting grave sites would make a person unclean.  Why would God suddenly encourage believers to seek the Holy Spirit in an area that is considered unclean?  Grave sucking is against God’s character.

Numbers 19:16  And whosoever toucheth one that is slain with a sword in the open fields, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days.

Why Doesn’t the Bible Explicitly Teach About Grave Sucking?

If the mantles or missions God gives to some individuals truly are thwarted when they die why doesn’t God say something about it in His word?  If believers could really get the fast pass and quickly receive the gifts of the Spirit why wouldn’t God clearly tell us in the scriptures?  Doesn’t this seem like a massive oversight on God’s part?

Grave Sucking Attacks the Divine Nature of our God

In this view of the Father we have a God who both gets his plans foiled because His Holy Spirit empowered followers die and then to make matters worse, forgets to tell His believers how to resume His plans by retrieving the powers from a grave site.  To make matters worse, it takes God several thousand years to realize He goofed and reveal this new information to His modern day “prophets”.


Grave sucking not only makes us believers look like complete lunatics, it also has absolutely no foundation in God’s word.  There is not a single scripture to support this nonsense.  God’s divine nature is also in jeopardy under this insanity.  Furthermore, why would God tell His followers to lie down on an unclean grave site to receive a lost portion of the Holy Spirit?  This is silliness my friends and we need to repent.  God is not happy about this blasphemous practice.  Lord Jesus please forgive us confused sheep.

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  • Pam Hanes March 28, 2015, 10:56 pm

    “Soaking?” Huh?

  • Deborah McCallister March 26, 2015, 8:11 pm

    The word clearly says that if any one preaches
    Any other gospel than the one taught by the Holy
    Spirit through Paul the Apostal. They shall
    be cursed. Read Galatians for yourselves. Why do
    you chase after false gods. Listening to every
    Windbag of doctrine that comes by. Do not be
    decieved God is Not mocked!

  • Jason March 19, 2015, 1:08 pm

    Necromancy, plain and simple! Every mention of dealing with the souls of the departed is condemned in scripture. This is a demonic practice, and Bethel Redding is nothing more than the servant of this age

  • John February 3, 2015, 12:24 am

    Church of the Laodiceans

    Without the foundation of the truth that comes by the word of God
    apostasy has entered the church and has became a poison defiling the hearts and minds of the unlearned .
    False teachings tickling itching ears under the disguise of political correctness making the truth a lie .

    leaven dreamed up in the mind of man taught as if it were from the Holy one but in truth has come from the mouth of the deceiver as it sorrows the whole batch .

    Even now it has became A plague where the unrighteous and unholy things are winked at and the truth of God and all that is truly Holy is hated

    This is the church age of the Laodiceans

    Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
    Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
    Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
    Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
    Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
    Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
    Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
    Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

  • David Angus February 2, 2015, 7:35 am

    Last year I was in a meeting where Roberts Liardon was speaking over here in the UK. He is a renowned Pentecostal bible teacher and has written several books on church history called “God’s Generals”. Roberts comes from a long line of Pentecostal ministers and had a collection of revival memorabilia that he had collected through the years. He recently had sold that collection to Bill Johnson of Bethel for 1 Million dollars. Bill Johnson was then in the process of building a 3 Million dollar museum of revival at Bethel. In Roberts collection was the wedding dress of Kathreen Kulman! Oh dear the memorabilia under Bill’s teaching will become relics…Can you imagine what this “sucking up the anointing” nonsense will now become. This supernatural-Spirit-saturated-wonder-working garment will be “releasing” to the thirsty revival chasers? It beggars belief! They will come in their legions no doubt chasing the Bethel delusion, swallowing the lies and the deception…Spawning as it does many “Simon the Sorceror ministries” after it’s own kind…another expression of the vast merchandizing machine, fleecing the sheep. What “spiritual gymnastics” will the mindless have to perform to capture the wonder and glory of it all? Oh the lambs the lambs, the poor poor lambs, a whole generation being duped…following the pied piper, dancing to the tune of Bethel taking on board deceit, darkness and not a few demons for good measure in the many and varied practices of the occult that goes hand in hand with this “other” gospel from Bethel. If your church is being Bethelized, it normally starts with some teaching called “a culture of honour” this is a preprogramming, whilst giving honour where honoiur is due to leadership it very subtily removes the check, and balance, judgment and discerning that will ensure that you swallow hook, line and sinker whatever your leadership tells you or iniciates without question…hence doing away with discernment or the discerning of spirits…any dissenting voices, or questioning, leads to sensure, discipline and ostracism. As a friend of mine experienced…I would recommend a web site called “Rooftops and Rafters” where you can view many of the other errors being spawned by this work and documented by some who have been in it.

  • fred January 30, 2015, 10:51 am

    Thanks for the informative study! God bless you!

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  • Rotimi Samuel Aseperi December 9, 2014, 9:20 am

    It was when I was younger that I heard of the occults visiting the grave for
    Power. It was then seen as an abominable act.
    However, thesedays the devil through its deceptive agents (false prophets) is all out twalting the truth and painting errors to be truth; deceiving people.
    We must know the truth. Where there is lack of knowledge, destruction is inevitable!
    Thank God for this avenue where peoples eyes are opened to the truth.

  • Louise December 6, 2014, 12:52 am

    I do not want to sound trite, however grave sucking, sounds so freaky, I would never take part in this stuff.

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  • JD Kent August 8, 2014, 1:26 pm

    Interesting that you quote people like Bill Johnson, not even talking about what you are trying to explain, and yet in 7 yrs of listening to /attending Bethel, I’ve never heard of such a thing as “grave sucking.” I only searched it because Beni Johnson posted that she wasn’t one, implying someone had called her one. I would suggest you stop spreading false reports, cuz I’m pretty sure the Bible has something to say about that. Why can’t Christian people just go out and love on people and spread joy instead of spending all your time attacking each other? I’m pretty sure that isn’t the great commission.

    • shaydn December 8, 2014, 8:06 am

      We must call out false prophets. The fact that Bill Johnson can be quoted on this subject at all should call to question his veracity in conveying other Biblical truths. This is not “bashing” it is warning. #mushychristianity

    • maryc February 9, 2015, 5:49 am

      I’m with you JD. The quote that was used from Bill Johnson has nothing to do with this article from what I can see. And the pictures are easy enough to manufacture to make it seem real. I am not familiar with this “grave sucking” thing either. What I am familiar with is: 2 Timothy 2:14-19English Standard Version (ESV)

      A Worker Approved by God

      14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God[a] not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,[b] a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some. 19 But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”
      I think we should be very careful accusing someone unjustly {bearing false witness}. The comment quoted by Bill Johnson says absolutely nothing about “grave sucking”. And if I ever heard anyone talking about it I would definitely challenge them on that. I feel this is nothing more than an attack on a man of God. While this “grave sucking ” may be happening I feel the author is misleading people into believing where it is coming from. It is unwise to attack God’s people.

  • [主页] July 11, 2014, 9:06 pm

    Can I just say what a comfort to uncover someone that genuinely
    knows what they are talking about on the internet.

    You actually know how to bring a problem to light and make it important.
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    • Willy August 14, 2014, 6:37 pm

      I got a suggestion for you, it better to dig the grave expose the bones and lie down with the bones in this way you get direct contact with the annoiting…….

  • Timothy J. Duffy May 31, 2014, 9:17 pm

    I wrote a letter about bethel in reddings record searchlight and it got printed. It was intitled, people need to be aware of bethels practices. I would like to thank the guy that posted a link of youth apologetics training site about grave sucking along with my letter. It saved me a lot of explaination and it probably served better to warn all about bethel. Thanks for the back up.

  • Ashley May 30, 2014, 2:46 pm

    I understand that it is Christ in you and me and you which is the hope glory. Not in the bones of a loved one who has gone on before us. There anointing was for that day we need fresh anointing we need what is needed for this hour not last century.

    When it comes to anointing into the ministry, the gifts and calling of God are given by God not sucked up.

    I look at Aaron who is the natural type of the heavenly high priest and his anointing into the priesthood.

    Psalms 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

    Aaron’s anointing flowed from the head all the way down his body.

    We see that Jesus had the Spirit without measure resting upon him then in Acts we see his Spirit was poured out upon his body the church and has continued to do so throughout the years.

    Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    So I look to the anointing that was on Jesus head and as member of his body I receive what he gave to the church. That self same Spirit that rose Jesus from dead has quickened my mortal body. As to our “in part” gifting and or ministry I just yield to the Spirit of God, I don’t need to suck anything up. You and I are born of the Spirit we have the cry of the Spirit ABBA. We have an inheritance, just like any other in the family of God, we are heirs of God and a joint heirs with Jesus.

    John 1:16 And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace.

    As for stating that this is a teaching of brother Bill, we’ll I have not heard this from out of his mouth, being Australia I don’t get hear everything. I can only look to those things I see and hear.

    Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

    Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IS IN YOU, the hope of GLORY:

    No need to suck anything up just need to be born again.

    Have a Kingdom Day!
    Romans 14:17 …….. righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in (me) earth, as it is in heaven

    • Ashley May 30, 2014, 3:07 pm

      I had submitted my thoughts without this final thought from the New Testament

      Why would you seeking the living God from amongst the dead?

      Luke 24:1-6 KJV
      [1] Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. [2] And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. [3] And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. [4] And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: [5] And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? [6] He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

  • Doug Overmyer May 20, 2014, 12:36 pm

    While the grave sucking is weird and lacks wisdom, it demonstrates the hunger of some Christians to make fools of themselves to receive more from God. They are desperate, because God is so good, and they want power behind their love for the lost, even willing to be condemned by the discernment ministries, instead of gently corrected. Instead of judging, how about taking them aside and say, “I appreciate your fervor to receive a spiritual gift from God. But let’s pursue that in a different way, through prayer, fasting, and evangelizing, rather than laying on graves.”

    I know, I know, it’s hard for Christians to not judge or condemn, and to love others, especially easy targets. Those who fall into sexual sin, or pursue God errantly are easy to judge and hard to love. But try it sometime.

    The opening statement linking Bethel and Johnson to Word of Faith is laughably wrong… in fact, much of what has been said of Johnson is just… goofy. Here are 3 errant statements about Bill Johnson (and Bethel) followed what will be shocking and worth condemning, I’m sure.

    1. “Is Bethel (and Bill Johnson) part of the Word of Faith movement?!”

    No. There is nothing that ties Bethel Church to the Word of Faith movement, but since the Internet “discernment” ministries have been harping on WOF for so long, it is an easy slanderous title to throw onto a church that bears global fruit. Johnson was formerly in the Assemblies of God, until he changed his mind about dispensational view of history, and embraced a Kingdom of God mindset, a.k.a., George Ladd’s “The Kingdom of God” being here and not yet.

    2. “Johnson teaches we are little gods?!”

    LOL!! No. I suspect that they simply take Peter at his word and believe that we are Partakers of the Divine Nature (2 Peter 1:4) through faith in Christ Jesus.

    3. “Johnson is a leader of the New Apostolic Reformation, and teaches modern apostles are equal to Peter and Paul?”

    The NAR is a title that represents the third largest segment of Christians behind the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox, with 700 million believers and growing. Yes, in “Strange Fire”, John MacArthur said all of these believers are heretics and going to burn in hell. But MacArthur ain’t God. And many of those believers will gladly suffer persecution from the likes of MacArthur and others for God.

    No, Johnson doesn’t teach modern “apostles” should have their teachings canonized and added to the Bible, as Peter’s and Paul’s were.

    An “Apostle” is a government official sent ahead into a land newly conquered. The government sends these people to make the local culture ready for government to establish itself. The Roman Empire would defeat some nation’s army, sack the government, and then send apostles into the land to get things ready for the new government to take over.

    So what do apostles of the Kingdom of God do today? They spread the news that the Kingdom of God has won and is coming, with Jesus at it’s head to set up his administration, so you better get ready!

    4. Johnson teaches the Manifest Sons of God are a new breed of humans who will conquer the kingdoms of the world and take over the planet, establishing a one-world theocratic government, and Jesus can’t return until they do that??

    Wow. This summary of Bethel’s eschatology is laughably wrong. First of all, wanting to influence governments and movie industry etc., doesn’t equate installing a theocracy.

    Bethel Church has well over 300 staff members, so how can we definitively state what they teach and believe about eschatology? Different staff members hold different views… Some are for sure partial-preterists; others are post-trib… an so on.

    There isn’t a set eschatological view taught in Bethel, except that the Kingdom of God is here, and not yet, but will come fully when Jesus comes back.

    • Brittany November 9, 2014, 6:05 pm

      So true!! People don’t research for themselves and then condem the move of God they are experiencing! It’s just ignorance to say a word against a brother in the faith without looking into it more than just reading an article on the web. It’s easy for people to fabricate things about people because of jealousy. I am the type that does not believe what people say so easy but I believe the word of God. grave sucking is not my thing and it’s not Bill Johnsons either. That I have seen.

  • firespeaks April 2, 2014, 9:17 pm

    This is some crazy stuff! is there any wonder that John MacAuthur hate the charismatics?

  • Doug March 24, 2014, 11:13 am

    Luther was very adamant about sola scripture
    His writings against the Catholic Church was because they were doing things against the bible

    I hear people say God never changes but every new thing in a church is a new movement by God
    Either he changes or he doesn’t you can’t have it both ways

    • davideves March 31, 2014, 7:57 pm

      God certainly does change! He evolved from bloody animal rituals and living in a manmade box to dying on a cross as a human being.From thence he evolved into a trinity of beings and has been changing in his church ever since.And yes he repents often and changes his own mind.Just read your bible!

      • Anonymous May 15, 2014, 6:21 am

        Dude, you have it completely wrong. God never changes!! He is the same from the beginning till the end. It is us that always change. You need to actually read the whole Bible from the beginning till the end (KJV) and believe from the first to the last Word.

      • Chris December 2, 2014, 6:02 am

        Sorry davideves, but you really do need to study your Bible. God “evolved from blood animal rituals …” and then “evolved into a trinity of beings”?!?!?!?! The Trinity was involved in the creation of the world (Gen 1:1-2, John 1:1-3, etc.). The Triune Creator did not evolve! You, sadly, do not believe in the one true and living God of the Bible. I can only hope and pray that you come to a true understanding of and faith in our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

  • Chris March 20, 2014, 10:07 am

    So, somehow it is “apologetics” to misuse a quote (the ones from Bill and Cal) to try and prove that they teach necromancy? How do these quotes at all show what you conclude? I see NOTHING in their teachings, especially in these quotes, that suggests that an anointing should be sought at a grave. This is a fallacious article and full of slander of good men, with whom you apparently disagree with theologically. You should retract this article and send personal apologies to these men. And then check your motives and repent. Until this article is removed, you stand, Michael, as a liar, a slanderer, and possibly are poised to blaspheme the Holy Spirit by your implications against great men and women of God whom you doubt were led of the Holy Spirit.

    • SarahC March 31, 2014, 10:19 am

      That is perhaps because you have not watch countless videos of Benni Johnson and others directly saying that they are sucking the anointing off the people in the graves. Here is a quote from John Crowder in one of the videos:

      “And we’ve just come to the grave today to release to you an impartation of healing revival, of city building, restoration city-taking anointing, master-building apostolic anointing, and so we just rip it right out of the ground, we just suck it right off his dead bones, in Jesus name, and loose it to you., a healing-revival-glory-master-building-apostolic anointing glory…”

  • Kathryn March 19, 2014, 8:20 pm

    Awesome and biblical words Michael! Grave sucking is TOTALLY unbiblical! Thanks for taking the time to write this article. kathyn

    • Chris March 20, 2014, 10:00 am

      Yes, it is unBiblical. However, Michael offers no proof that the men he defames in his blog actually teach this. Bill and Cal most certainly do not. Michael needs to retract this article, as it is simply a lie and slanderous.

      • Anonymous September 16, 2014, 9:47 pm

        Hi Chris… Before I found this article I just got done watching the video of John Crowder doing the actual grave sucking prayer that Sarah C took the time to type up for you, which you didn’t respond to. I can assure you it is being done. Maybe these fokjs love God, and they’re just being misguided, and need to repent, but it is going on. Just before that I watched a video of some young people fom the same church doing this at the grave of Smith Wigglesworth. Maybe before you correct these people, you need to look these things up. I was shocked and awed that this is really hapening myaelf until I saw the videos. We need to pray. I love Bethel church, and the worship that has come from there etc.

  • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:47 pm

    2 Kings 13:20-22
    Amplified Bible (AMP)
    20 Elisha died, and they buried him. Bands of the Moabites invaded the land in the spring of the next year.
    21 As a man was being buried [on an open bier], such a band was seen coming; and the man was cast into Elisha’s grave. And when the man being let down touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.

    The unpardonable sin is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil, Satan. It is unpardonable because the Holy Spirit will depart immediately. It is the Holy Spirit that brings conviction of sin. Since He has abandoned the sinner, the sinner will die in his sins never even suspecting. You tread dangerous ground. It may even now be too late for you.

    Oh and by the way, Bill Johnson NEVER EVER said to take the anointing from a grave. He said anointed people die every day without passing on the anointing. Elijah passed the anointing to Elisha BEFORE HE DIED? In fact, Elijah did not die.

    • Rebekah Postlewait February 26, 2014, 8:46 am

      Thank you for clarifying this about Bill Johnson. I love his teachings and I’ve never ever heard him say anything remotely close to doing something like this!

    • Chris March 20, 2014, 9:59 am

      Thanks so much for the defense of Bill Johnson and the point about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which by implication this author has tread very close to doing in his bold-faced reviling of people who have served God with great power. His quotes from Bill Johnson and Cal Pierce have NOTHING to do with suggesting that people “grave-suck” (and I love how his link for explaining grave-sucking simply circularly comes back to his own article). His own conclusions are specious and fallacious and for an “apologetics” blog this should be entirely untenable and retracted immediately. After thousands of hours of study in the Bethel movement, including leadership training, conferences, books and podcasts, I have NEVER heard Bill or anyone associated with him approve of anything like “grave sucking”, which I agree is unBiblical. However, to use good men’s names (because you disagree with their theology and have your own agenda to defame them) to support a blog against a practice they don’t even teach is shameful.

      If I teach that drinking alcohol is permitted in Scripture, then go on to teach that drinking to excess is not Scriptural, this author would likely take pictures of drunken people and claim they were my disciples, misquote me saying that drinking is permitted in Scripture, then come to a conclusion for his readers that I told the drunks to go get drunk for Jesus. This author is disingenuous in his writing and he has zero capacity for logical reasoning, drawing conclusions not merited by the quotes, then compounding his error by posting pics that have no connection with the authors somehow to “prove” your point. The fact that so many blindly accept this blog’s assertions is evidence that there is little critical thinking going on in the church today, much less true discernment.

      This author is a liar. I have for him only the warning from Jude:
      But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

      • R Maxwell May 18, 2014, 9:20 pm

        Blasphemy is also attributing something to God that is satanic. Which is what this practice is. This practice of hovering over graves to obtain a spirit is satanic and straight out of occultic practices.

  • mmh February 25, 2014, 6:19 am

    Is there a reason this post is essentially identical to one that’s three years old? And there’s only a few hater sites posting it? Definitely calls into question its validity. This is obviously a disgusting practice, but if you can only find the same story, same pictures, same quotes, over a three-year span, how prevalent can it really be?

    • Chris March 20, 2014, 10:02 am

      And it is unreliable, untrue and slanders good men. Even the quotes Michael uses don’t connect logically with his assumptions about their teachings, which these men emphatically do not support.

  • Dezsi {Deseree} Russouw February 20, 2014, 8:00 am

    This grave sucking is from the very pits of hell, the word of YHVH tells us that in the end days there is going to be a great falling away of the church, an apostate church, where anything and everything will be excepted, we are seeing this happening all over the place. We need to stand fast and firm on the word of YHVH, test ALL the spirits according to what YHVH’S word tells us and if it is not in the scriptures, reject it and walk away. Pray and seek the face of Elohim our creator in YESHUA’S name, and if you are not baptized with the Holy Spirit, as mentioned in Acts chapter 2, then look for a reputable church that is in line with the word of YHVH and get baptized, because it is only with the baptism of the Holy Spirit, [Pentecost] that we have the ability to discern the spirits, And when you are baptized with the power of the Holy Spirit and seek the face of YHVH on a daily basis, through reading HIS word and in prayer, and ask YHVH to confirm what is in HIS word, when you are in doubt and HE will always give you confirmation. It is only by walking close with our heavenly Father in YESHUA’S mighty name, through, reading HIS word and prayer, that we will not be deceived by false prophets and teachers.. Walk away from church doctrine and follow what the scriptures tell us and if you really want to get a clear modern and accurate translation, go to Google and down the ”COMPLETE HEBREW, ENGLISH TRANSLATION, it is the most accurate translation of the word of YHVH, Old and New Testaments.
    Ask YHVH to protect your mind from satanic lies and deception in YESHUA’S name. Shalom

  • Andy Iorio February 20, 2014, 7:32 am

    I have been walking with the Lord for over 30 years and it grieves me terribly that christian brothers and sisters can get caught up in such foolishness get back to the bible and stop interpreting scriptures the wrong way. Get back to Jesus (Hear Ye Him”)

    • Wade February 20, 2014, 7:59 am

      Wrong way? Who decides the right way?

      There are Scriptures that are clear, and there are those that are not as starkly defined and are therefore open to interpretation.

      Both Wesley and Luther believed that, unless the Bible clearly forbids something, the believer has freedom unless the Spirit says otherwise to him/her. Yet today, we have adopted the mindset that it must be explicitly affirmed by the Word to be acceptable. This was the viewpoint of Zwingli, whose theology was integral to the formation of the legalistic Amish/Mennonite version of Christianity.

      If you’re going to condemn other believers for “interpreting scriptures the wrong way”, you’d best be sure of the foundation on which you are standing.

      • JamesWatchman February 20, 2014, 8:46 pm

        This is no different to necromancy which the Bible condemns.

        Please explain to us how their use of 2 Kings to support this nonsense and subsequent ignoring of warnings against necromancy is Biblical.

      • Anonymous February 22, 2014, 6:23 am

        This is cursed. You are actually adding to the Word of God. I am baptised in the Holy Spirit and I have received my share of miracles, but the signs and wonders I hold to are..in the bible in Mark 16:17,18…nothing about laying on graves, in fact it is necromancy and forbidden by God.

        • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:49 pm

          2 Kings 13:20-22
          Amplified Bible (AMP)
          20 Elisha died, and they buried him. Bands of the Moabites invaded the land in the spring of the next year.
          21 As a man was being buried [on an open bier], such a band was seen coming; and the man was cast into Elisha’s grave. And when the man being let down touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.

          The unpardonable sin is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil, Satan. It is unpardonable because the Holy Spirit will depart immediately. It is the Holy Spirit that brings conviction of sin. Since He has abandoned the sinner, the sinner will die in his sins never even suspecting. You tread dangerous ground. It may even now be too late for you.

          Oh and by the way, Bill Johnson NEVER EVER said to take the anointing from a grave. He said anointed people die every day without passing on the anointing. Elijah passed the anointing to Elisha BEFORE HE DIED? In fact, Elijah did not die.

          • Anonymous February 26, 2014, 1:37 pm

            But what does “touched the bones of Elisha,he revived and stood on his feet” mean? Why are these two verses referred to?

  • Wade February 20, 2014, 7:03 am

    “Some supporters of grave sucking suggest that it’s because there was power left in the bones of the prophet Elisha. That is simply not true. The Holy Spirit does not hang out with rotting corpses. Elisha had prophesied before he died, about King Josiah’s victory over Syria (2 Kings 13:15-18). God was putting His divine stamp of approval on Elisha’s last prophecy. In other words, God was saying that it would come to pass.”

    This is speculation and conjecture. Where, in that 2 Kings passage, does it explicitly say that the man was raised to life to confirm Elisha’s last prophecy? Why do you get to be a Biblical literalist when it suits your agenda but then get to assert speculation as fact when you choose?

    I’m not settled on this “grave sucking” issue, but reading such inconsistent and hypocritical attacks as this sure doesn’t generate any affinity for your position. I’m much more inclined to take seriously the assertions of those who are humble enough to admit there are mysteries in the Kingdom and that we just might not have it all figured out.

  • Kevi Meru February 19, 2014, 4:15 pm

    Grave suckers are deceived and have given themselves over to satan (1 Timothy 5:15)… this is what happens to those who will not listen to sound doctrine and go after strange experiences… blessing hunters. What God has explicitly forbidden, these gullibles are chasing after with gusto. On their way to hell, unless there is realization and repentance. (2 Timothy 2:25-26).

  • Jamil Thomas February 19, 2014, 1:19 pm

    Dear Sir/madam,

    My name is Jamil Thomas 37 Christian from Pakistan. I have been teaching in the remote areas of Pakistan and I have been studying your articles from web and sharing the teachings with people over here. I have reached to more than 2500 people so far in these remote areas where people do not have access to True Gospel as you are teaching.

    Brother can you do the joint projects with me in Pakistan?

    I offer to translate the English matter into native language that is Urdu and want to print that so the maximum people can understand the Gospel in their native language.

    Let’s spread His Word together.


    • Andrew February 20, 2015, 3:28 pm

      Jamil, I would like to do that for you, if this author has not responded. Please send me an email to the.humble.beardsman@gmail.com. God bless you!

  • Monica Bankston February 19, 2014, 10:32 am

    Sounds incredulous too me :/

  • arjil February 19, 2014, 9:45 am

    You guys know this is Necromancy, right?

    • girlforgod April 1, 2014, 4:10 pm

      what is necromancy? And is it in the bible?

      • Pierre May 15, 2014, 6:38 am

        Yes necromancy is indeed in the Bible (KJV) not sure if it is in the other versions as I don’t consider them as the true Word of God. Go to http://www.purebiblestudy.com and download the free KJV Bible app. This is well worth the effort.

  • Barry February 18, 2014, 7:40 pm

    This in a nutshell is what Jesus spoke about in regards to the great falling away,the apostasty.He wasn’t speaking in regards 2 the world but the church,many will not hold fast 2 sound teaching but will give heed to doctrine’s of demons and strange doctrine.This is what w c happening,if people would read the scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit to open their eyes to see that this is false as well as blasphemous in God’s eyes.They do not love the truth!They r being swept up in this false movement and will continue to be so until the Lord returns,perhaps some will be saved I don’t know.God is merciful but he is also a righteous judge,I would not want to be in the shoes of any of these leaders who r promoting this error and leading their sheep down the path to slaughter.

  • Dan February 18, 2014, 3:19 pm

    Leviticus 19:31
    “Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
    Deuteronomy 18:9-12
    “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

    • girlforgod April 1, 2014, 4:33 pm

      So I don’t believe in this grave sucking, but since we are getting off the subject..lol
      In response to your quoting scripture, which by all means is true! How do you expain the transfiguration with Jesus and his couple of disciples in matthew 17 1-9?

  • Chuck Swift February 18, 2014, 1:52 pm

    We are just beginning a study in our informal Facebook group on where the Holy Spirit goes when a person dies. While this ‘grave sucking’ is an obvious perversion of the matter, it’s popularity among some is evidence of the Holy Spirit’s presence in the graves of those who wait.

    Here is the proof text from the New Testament: Romans 8:11 “But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwells in you.” Dwells in … dwells in.

    There are other spirits present in graveyards. That’s what the evil and the unlearned are invaded by. If a spirit can cause blindness and all other sicknesses as we are taught, wouldn’t they have the power to remove them to promote a false understanding?

    No one can snatch us from His hand. He guards us even in death.

    • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:52 pm

      Jesus said “A house divided cannot stand.” Devils kill, steal, and destroy, not heal and raise the dead.

    • Cindy Worthy September 23, 2014, 10:08 am

      very well said.

  • Terrie February 18, 2014, 8:38 am

    Do not apologize for losing it over this nuttiness. Someone posted this on my FB page, I had never seen your blog before today. I am in my 60′s and have had such a burden for young people in these movements. There is a pure speaking in tongues, etc. and there is a false. The youth today are being fed a lie. The Tod Bentley’s and Rick Joyner’s Bill Johnson and the Kansas City stuff has led young people down a sad trail. You see, there is a right path and it leads to God and it is it pure and holy. We don’t need “new” movements. The Lord has given us all that we need in His Word. Lately we’ve been listening to some preaching from Ireland. There are some real solid ministries there through “Take Heed Ministries”. I would advise anyone involved in this “grave sucking” to come out of this NOW. It is not of God.

    • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:54 pm

      If you think the church today is OK, then you know nothing of the church in the book of acts. The church today is very sick and needs the healer.

  • Rhonda February 17, 2014, 9:21 pm

    I converted to become Catholic a few years ago. So I’m sure what I say won’t exactly jive with this site.

    Anyway, just a couple ideas. I think that it is possible that God can use the relics of saints, either their bones or personal items, to heal people these days. Not because the objects themselves are special, but because God Himself can heal people. The faithful prayer asking for healing is directed toward God. I think it’s possible, not guaranteed.

    I also think it’s possible that God can bless people at preaching, teaching or prophecy. It’s up to God though. The way to pass it along is during the preacher’s life by discipleship and discernment from the Bible. Not some weird kind of embracing the spirit of the preacher at his or her grave.

    • Jackie February 18, 2014, 3:21 pm

      Hi Rhonda…
      Your conversion is exactly the OPPOSITE of mine;
      What was your original denomination, may I ask?
      Can I be instrumental in bringing you into DIVINE TRUTH?
      It would be a delight!
      You can even join my FB where we discuss all these issues.
      PEACE and LOVE

      Jackie Bourg

      • Chris February 19, 2014, 6:55 am

        No No, let me convert you, I am more holy. lol

    • Anonymous May 15, 2014, 6:45 am

      First thing wrong with the RCC is that they keep idols in their churches……how can we believe the rest of their preaching……..
      Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

  • Dave February 17, 2014, 9:05 pm

    For the first person to have had a vision, dream, or visitation from Bob Jones my money is on James Gall with Patricia king a close second,and honourable mention to Todd bentley if Rick Joyner allows him.One thing is sure the stories are bound to be a little hard to believe.

  • Anita Johnston February 16, 2014, 3:41 pm

    What is “bazar”?

    • lee hyder February 17, 2014, 11:23 am

      Do you not even see what’s going on here?!!? Our youth are being led to destruction, and ultimately, hell, by Satan and you’re worried about spelling!!? BTW, it means bi·zarre [bih-zahr]

      markedly unusual in appearance, style, or general character and often involving incongruous or unexpected elements; outrageously or whimsically strange; odd: bizarre clothing; bizarre behavior. Synonyms: weird, freakish, grotesque; fantastic; unusual, strange, odd. Hope that helps!

    • John V February 18, 2014, 10:06 am

      I think Anita is referring to the misspelling of bizarre.

      • Rhonda February 18, 2014, 11:49 am

        And the televangelist’s name is Benny Hinn, not Bene. I know a blog is not as formal as a high school or college English class, but spelling and grammar count. Using them well helps people to take the content seriously.

  • Bart February 14, 2014, 10:38 pm

    Here’s a video of some Bethel students “grave sucking”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHPTs8cLls

  • Ashley February 14, 2014, 3:30 pm

    Thanks so much for the pictures!!!!!!!


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