What is Grave Sucking?

Have you heard of Grave Sucking?

Can the Word of Faith hyper-charismatic crowd get any more bizarre? What is with this new occult sounding practice often referred to as grave sucking?

Grave Sucking

When I first heard of grave sucking I assumed it must be a joke.  Surely no one would buy into something so silly.  Well my friends, this is for real.  Grave sucking or mantle grabbing is the belief and practice of pulling the supposed Holy Spirit powers from the dead bones of a previously empowered believer.  It is taught that when a Spirit empowered individual dies their mantle or mission dies with them.  In other words God’s mission for that believer was thwarted when that believer died.

There are anointings, mantles, revelations and mysteries that have lain unclaimed, literally where they were left because the generation that walked in them never passed them on. I believe it’s possible for us to recover realms of anointing, realms of insight, realms of God that have been untended for decades simply by choosing to reclaim them and perpetuate them for future generations.” Bill Johnson

Maybe that believer had a gift of healing.  Maybe they were an apostle, prophet or evangelist.  This of course assumes that they were actually empowered in these ways which I have serious doubts.  Whatever the case, now God’s plans for that particular anointing are placed on hold.  How does God correct this and get his plans back on track?

Grave sucking explained

We as believers must find a way to retrieve the mantle or anointing from the rotting corpse six feet under.  Only then can we get God’s plans back on track.  This is achieved by placing our hands on the gravestone of the deceased or lying on top of the grave.  Sometimes a prayer will be offered to God to aid in this perceived power transfer.

John Crowder grave sucking

I kid you not!  Some people actually believe this.  God’s plan has in fact been frustrated and now God needs us to seek out His lost anointing so we can bail God and His plans out. They believe that by laying there on the grave they will be able to pull the anointing from the dead.  It’s as if they believe the Holy Spirit is lost and doesn’t seem to realize that the person they empowered is dead and is no longer able to minister in this empowered way.  Suddenly the Holy Spirit senses someone is lying on the dirt six feet above His head.  The Holy Spirit, apparently not caring who is laying up there decides to jump into the new body giving them the supernatural abilities that the dearly departed once had.  Again this assumes that the person in the grave was in fact empowered by the Holy Spirit.

Benny Hinn Claims he Felt the Anointing at Mystic Aimee Semple McPherson’s Grave

I felt a terrific anointing when I was there. I actually, I—I, hear this, I trembled when I visited Aimee’s tomb. I was shaking all over. God’s power came all over me. … I believe the anointing has lingered over Aimee’s body. I know this may be shocking to you. … And I’m going to take David [Palmquist] and Kent [Mattox] and Sheryl [Palmquist] this week. They’re gonna come with me. You—you—you gonna feel the anointing at Aimee’s tomb. It’s incredible. And Kathryn’s. It’s amazing. I’ve heard of people healed when they visited that tomb. They were totally healed by God’s power. You say, ‘What a crazy thing.’ Brother, there’s things we’ll never understand. Are you all hearing me?” Benny Hinn

Grave Sucking or Mantle Grabbing is the Fast Track to Spiritual Power

For many who subscribe to hyper-charismatic type beliefs, it is thought that a person must spend much time and effort trying to achieved a state of Holy Spirit empowerment.  This is achieved by extensive prayer, worship, contemplative prayer, soaking, fasting and much more.  Mantle grabbing/grave sucking is seen as the workaround to achieving fast Holy Spirit empowerment.

“An inheritance in the natural can be anything a person values enough to leave to the next generation. It usually is either property or money and represents years and years of another person’s effort. If you receive an inheritance when you’re younger, say as a young, newly married adult, that inheritance can financially “jump start” your ability to have things that otherwise would have taken you years to attain. You might be able to buy a house, or live in a part of town only people higher up the corporate ladder can afford. You might be able to pay for your college education or buy a nice car. An inheritance allows you to start out ahead of where you would have been without it. With an inheritance, you receive for free what others worked to obtain.grave sucking 3

A spiritual inheritance works the same way. It enables us to start our Christian life at spiritual levels that might normally have taken us years to reach. Another generation’s “ceiling” in God can become our spiritual “floor.” Cal Pierce

“Lord, if a dead man can be thrown on the bones of Elisha and be healed, then I’m asking for the anointing that is on these bones of John G. Lake.” Cal Pierce

Does the Bible Support Grave Sucking?

First it must be stated that there is not a single scripture in the Bible that clearly describes grave sucking.  Are there any scriptures that seem to teach the concept of grave sucking?  There is only one.  That’s right.  The only scripture that even remotely comes near this subject is in 2 Kings.  It gives an account of a man coming alive after touching Elisha’s dead bones.

2 Kings 13:21  And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

Let’s look at this soberly.  Did this man who came to life receive Elisha’s mantle?  No?  Did he take up Elisha’s ministry and become a prophet of God?  No.  Did he receive any kind of Holy Spirit empowerment?  No.  The man received his life back and that’s it.   Why did this happen?  Some supporters of grave sucking suggest that it’s because there was power left in the bones of the prophet Elisha.   That is simply not true.  The Holy Spirit does not hang out with rotting corpses.  Elisha had prophesied before he died, about King Josiah’s victory over Syria (2 Kings 13:15-18).  God was putting His divine stamp of approval on Elisha’s last prophecy.  In other words, God was saying that it would come to pass.

God Decides Whom He Empowers

Our God is a sovereign God.  God is not one that we can manipulate.

1Co 12:11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

James 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

God Wants Us to Seek Him

Why would anyone want to seek a corpse for God’s blessing?  Does not God want us to seek only Him?

Isaiah 8:19  And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

grave sucking 4Grave Sites Were Considered Unclean

The Old Testament is pretty clear that visiting grave sites would make a person unclean.  Why would God suddenly encourage believers to seek the Holy Spirit in an area that is considered unclean?  Grave sucking is against God’s character.

Numbers 19:16  And whosoever toucheth one that is slain with a sword in the open fields, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days.

Why Doesn’t the Bible Explicitly Teach About Grave Sucking?

If the mantles or missions God gives to some individuals truly are thwarted when they die why doesn’t God say something about it in His word?  If believers could really get the fast pass and quickly receive the gifts of the Spirit why wouldn’t God clearly tell us in the scriptures?  Doesn’t this seem like a massive oversight on God’s part?

Grave Sucking Attacks the Divine Nature of our God

In this view of the Father we have a God who both gets his plans foiled because His Holy Spirit empowered followers die and then to make matters worse, forgets to tell His believers how to resume His plans by retrieving the powers from a grave site.  To make matters worse, it takes God several thousand years to realize He goofed and reveal this new information to His modern day “prophets”.


Grave sucking not only makes us believers look like complete lunatics, it also has absolutely no foundation in God’s word.  There is not a single scripture to support this nonsense.  God’s divine nature is also in jeopardy under this insanity.  Furthermore, why would God tell His followers to lie down on an unclean grave site to receive a lost portion of the Holy Spirit?  This is silliness my friends and we need to repent.  God is not happy about this blasphemous practice.  Lord Jesus please forgive us confused sheep.

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  • Michelle February 12, 2018, 3:15 pm

    I saw this done in a documentary about giants, evil half human and half-fallen-angels that would have their youth do this very same thing to receive the demon spirit of the fallen warrior giant (called the Incubation Rite, see https://vimeo.com/ondemand/holocaustofgiants, start around here if you want to get a quick idea: 1:29:00). This is truly horrid that Christians don’t even ask questions about doing this…

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    This just goes to show you how absolutely ridiculous christianity has become. And as far as um concerned they are dabbling in the dark arts. I can’t believe anyone would agree to this I don’t care what creepy Benny hinn says!!!!!!

    • Anonymous May 22, 2017, 5:49 am

      This happens often which why there are so many denominations. But just because some people distort the truth does not mean that we should turn our backs to Christianity. In fact we need to draw closer to God and to his word and the truth. Jesus said that many will be deceived but those who seek him will know his voice and know the truth.

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  • Adam July 18, 2016, 2:12 pm

    The true issue is that Bill denies the diety of Jesus Christ while on earth. Since he is anti-christ you need to ask yourself if the Holy Spirit would work to validate his ministry. Then ask yourself what spirit is working through him and what is he imparting to others. There are things I don’t bother to argue about. But if someone teaches this satinic doctrine of Jesus not being God then he has neither the father or thebson. God bless!

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  • Sky Avila May 16, 2016, 9:10 am

    Gravesucking is all about what God said to Israel, but he said it like this:

    When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
    (Deuteronomy 18:9-14 KJV)

    Necromancer is simply someone who seeks counsel with the dead= Gravesucking

  • Lisa April 29, 2016, 5:18 pm

    I love when people seek God and confirm by scripture what is right and wrong! It grieves my heart though when someone trying to do that, does not speak the truth in the love. Which is also scriptural truth. The beginning o the article insites bitterness, because it is in accurate and reflects “your feelings” about certain people. The word says, that no bitter root come up amongst you. Love believes best, and does not partner with the Accuser, against other Christians. Your article shares a great truth. But I would love to see you minister to more people by not siting Word of Faith as the source of this problem, and quoting Bill Johnson, as if any of them believe in grave sucking. Would’t it have been better to quote someone who does grave sucking. It would give us a better idea of what “they” think. I can guarantee you, you will never catch Bill Johnson or the Copelands, Hagins, etc (word of faith) even considering grave sucking. If you will look deeper you will find that many of them have spoken out against it. You know the young people are being fed so much crud in this world, let’s not be part of that. Just a little more research, from a heart love will ad great conviction and hope to your writings. May the Lord bless you in His calling on your life to minister to the young people.

    • David May 4, 2016, 12:55 pm

      Lisa, have you seen the picture of Bill Johnson’s wife Beni lying of C.S. Lewis’ grave performing the act of grave sucking? She posted it to her own twitter account. Sure seems like an endorsement to me.

  • Cortney April 23, 2016, 6:19 am

    Bill Johnson’s quote is not presented truthfully in this article. He was teaching about how mantels are passed down. He was using the Old Testament story of Elisha and the bones thrown into the grave. He was teaching about when his father died and his son received that mantel of his father and is carrying it on in ministry. This is put in the wrong context. Bill never said go lay on graves and suck up anointing.

    • Peter July 5, 2016, 7:23 am

      Ok, the quote may be wrong. I’d recommend the author of the author to provide a link to the source of this quote. Anyway, the quote is wrong. It’s an Old Covenant thing. Under the Old Covenant, the Spirit rested upon a select number of people, usually prophets and not on all of Israel. In the New Covenant, Holy Spirit was poured out on the day of Pentecost, available to all. There’s no more such a thing as ‘passing on the mantle’, or the anointing. This quote suggests that ‘anointings, mantles, revelations and mysteries’ are like physical assets that keep lying around somewhere if they are not passed on. This nonsense is not supported anywhere in Scripture.

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    • paul king February 19, 2016, 3:12 pm

      The scriptures are as paul wrote that the scriptures are God breathed good for all teaching, rebuking and correction… These grave suckers need biblical correction. Just because someone is saved doesn’t mean they know a lick about the Holy Spirit’s protocol.
      thankful that we have a God who refuses to remember our sins.

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  • David January 13, 2016, 12:10 pm

    Soooo….. Aside from gossip and criticisizing what other believers do… Is anyone who commented on this practice currently preaching the gospel not just in words but in demonstration of the power Paul spoke of? Maybe the most consideration should be given to those who are actually seeing the sick healed? And the lost saved? In two recent services I saw the Holy Spirit heal many… instantly! And save many too. My job? As a worship leader was to keep lifting the Name of Jesus high. But my point is this… stop wasting your time Saints! People need the Kingdom of Heaven. We are supposed to be seeking it and His righteousness first. Period. There is much to do. So stop backbiting each other and leave the corrections up to God. Amen.

    • romach January 17, 2016, 7:06 pm

      signs and wonders are never a definitive sign of the presence of YHVH.
      Matt 7
      Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
      22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
      23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      the only sure sign of the infilling of the HS is the ceasing of hostility towards G-d’s
      instructions known as Torah and the subsequent desire and ability to obey and walk in those instructions.

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    • Truth February 17, 2016, 11:30 am

      Brother, If we see a brother in Christ walking away from the truth we are to go and help him, not in pride, but in humbleness. These people who grave-suck are walking in lies and deceit. Grave sucking has no valid biblical proof! We are to preach the truth to these people who are walking in darkness.

    • Karl May 14, 2016, 8:08 am

      I was raise in a Charasmatic church with conservation doctrine. I spent 20 years in The Vineyard, planted a couple churches, and regularly “Do the stuff,” as we used to say. That is deliver specific words of knowledge to people to build than up. These include prophetic utterances that are very specific (from time to time).

      I preach and teach regularly, have been supernaturally healed, and have prayed for people to be healed and they have been healed (but rarely instantly).

      But you are setting up a false requirement here. Specifically that someone be building the KOG in the way the Jesus, the 12, and the 70 (or 72) did!

      We have no examples that prayer to the dead for a mantle is taught in scripture. In fact I have cast demons out of beleivers who were practicing these sorts of activities. The H.S. doesn’t hang out with dead men’s bones! He is God of the living not the dead, as Jesus tells us. By creating a system out of dealing wih the person, you open yourself up to all types of deception.

      The H.S. is a person. He is God. He calls the shots and helps us to understand what Jesus and the Father are doing. He is not some power or force waiting to be released. Hese foolish practices are spiritually dangerous. The people’s good intentions don’t stop them from opening up strong deceptive spiritual activity by the so-called activations.

      I did have someone from Toronto Blessings school of ministry lay hands on my wife and I back in 1996. He was a great pastor, and a more generous believer I have never met. But when he prayed for 30 seconds over my wife and I, demonic forces entered the house. When he left 30 seconds later my wife almost threw up because wave after wave of nausea hit her. I felt this deep sense of dread, and commanded these spirits to leave. They did instantly. And we felt at peace.

      Point is by opening yourself up to activations of the type this article is exposing, one can be brutally deceived. There is more than enough work to do in the KOG, and more than enough gifts given to build up the body that none of these questionable practices is warranted. Not one!

      I don’t want to pray for deliverence for another kingdom worker due to this type of foolishness ever again, there is too much work to do to mess with grave sucking.

      • Anonymous August 3, 2016, 1:52 am

        Born again believers can’t be demon posessed. The believer is a temple not a hotel. The belief that a believer ( not just a religious person ) can be posessed is false.

        • Anonymous April 20, 2017, 8:07 am

          No, a believer cannot be possessed, but they can be oppressed. And those who are oppressed need deliverance as well.

    • Peter July 5, 2016, 7:29 am

      God’s miracles occurring under a minister’s hands are the Holy Spirit at work and by no means a sign of approval of what that minister practices or teaches.

  • Lee January 13, 2016, 8:52 am

    In my country, in the orivinces, this is the practice of those who get powers not from the true divine source. They stay for certain days in a church at midnight, another number of days in a cemetary and after these rituals, they will really be empowered with supernatural abilities, but definitley not fron God. They even have supernatural encounters with negative influences. These are non-believers. I am afraid, this belief has creeped in and mixed with our new generation. We need to go back to the ancient path, back to the word and not just be attracted with power. The Holy Spirit emoowers us according to his grace apportioned to us – Romans 12:6 –We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us.

    We should not covet what is not our portion. We can ask, God can grant it, no need to do these things… We simoky need to ask our Father, He gives generously….

    … my thoughts on this. Thank you for allowing me to share 🙂

    • Truth February 17, 2016, 10:08 am

      Amen Brother

  • Pamela December 24, 2015, 1:48 pm

    Matthew 7:22…21 says “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22″Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23″And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

    If i, that is my flesh, ever does anything that is miraculous or beyond things that i, can not do… It is because God is at work within this clay vessel. i, can’t take credit, not even for being the vessel of choice. It is all of Him and for His glory… i, do receive the benefits for being His child and being willing to be willing as He chooses. I, my spirit is longing to worship in spirit and truth and i/I, seek the Holy Spirit to teach me to love Him more and worship Him in my spirit… Still working on that though. I Am wanting to walk in and by the Spirit of God Living, moving and breathing through my living sacrifice, my total being… Please pray for the sanctification of Christ to renew me from the inside out so as to hear Him say… Well done my good and faithful servant. Pamela mydoterra.com/good

  • Melinda French December 9, 2015, 3:33 am

    Jesus said that the dead know nothing.we serve a LIVING God so why would the Holy Spirit dwell in a dead body?!when we re born again we receive gifts of the Holy Spirit that only we can do thru the power of the Holy Spirit. Isn’t grave sucking an attempt to steal from God?Christ followers who have passed no longer require the presence of the Holy Spirit because their mission is complete and they’re with the Lord.as a former pagan witch ghost hunter,I can tell u there’s things that hang out in graveyards but the Spirit of God is not one of them.

    • Brent Rollings January 31, 2016, 7:32 am

      I’m not condoning this practice of “grave sucking”. I think its a misguided replacement for the “communion of the saints” mentioned in the Nicene Creed. Where exactly does Jesus say the dead know nothing. I search for a reference and couldn’t find anything like that. Curious.

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  • David Angus November 16, 2015, 10:57 am

    I am a retired minister and overseas missionary…saved nearl fifty years ago now…at the beginning of the charismatic house church movement in the 1960’sin the UK. Lots of these fads and fantasies have been around and come around again…many of the “extra biblical” notions practiced at Bethel…being exported overseas…now saturating churches here in the UK. To make the deception less “questionable” and all the other nonsense coming with it…there are a series of messages called “a culture of honour” these pre-programme people to “honour” leadership but in fact they are there to stop any questioning regards the extra biblical stuff leadership are following and counternancing. More a culture of silence.
    Those that do are marked out as trouble makers…control and legalism comes in heavy…for further dangers of the occult and Eastern influences. In this movement check out on the web…”rooftops and rafters”. another interesting fact last year bill Johnson was building a “revival museum” at acost of $3M and I was in a meeting where Roberts Liardan a Pentecostal brother who had a collection from many of his forefathers. This was memorabilia to do with revival including the wedding dress of Kathryn Kulman…that Bill Johnson snapped up for another cool $1M…I wonder what “anointing” and shenanigans will flow out of this charismatic relic? Will they be packaged and merchandised to the undiscerning for a”seed” like so many Simon the Sorcerer type ministries? Wake up church…the lambs are being led astray big time.

    • Gustavo P Gianello February 17, 2016, 11:42 pm

      Dear David,

      As a Christian of over 40 years who was involved in a charismatic movement in the 1970s and 80s I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the charismatic movement never wasn’t God is now not of God and never will it be of God because it turns professing Christians eyes away from the God of the Bible. I think, that you know as I know that most of what goes on in the charismatic movement can easily be found in the are called especially in some of the most esoteric practices of spiritualism and witchcraft. The idea of grave sucking clearly is associated with the idea of séances and ectoplasm. In the typical séance at the turn of the 19th century ectoplasm was seen to emanate out of the orifices of the medium. This ectoplasm then influenced those who were participating in the séance by granting them often, powers. I am sure that there are Christians in the charismatic movement, or the first wave and second wave Pentecostal movement. But there should not be. If you want all the God wants for you, then repent of the pursuit of power, and anointing, and revelations, and instead pursue service and love. Only by reading the Scriptures prayerfully and meditating on their meaning can the Holy Spirit influence our minds as the apostle thought in Romans chapter 12 verses one and two. To be spirit filled is not to speak in tongues or have revelations, but it is to think the thoughts of God in Christ for we have the mind of Christ as we meditate on the law of the Lord day and night. Only then can we be the kind of spiritual people that God has called us to be. Having spoken in tongues, prophesied, had words of knowledge, discerning of spirits, visions, dreams, and revelations I despise them all and forget the things that lie behind me and lay hold of Christ who is revealed to me in the holy Scriptures. The Scriptures are and not for me for I realize that to pursue power outside of Christ in Scripture is to pursue the demonic. See: James 3:17. Dr. Gus Gianello. Issachar Biblical Institute. Issachar.institute@Gmail.com.

  • Anonymous November 15, 2015, 5:18 pm

    Necromancy is an abomination to God of which He will judge end of story!

    • Brent Rollings January 31, 2016, 7:34 am

      I think this is misguided but it’s not necromancy.

  • Jan Prins November 2, 2015, 10:21 pm

    I know that there were false teachers around and as well Bill Johnson; Kris Vallotton and the NAR; IHOP; John Crowder and so on. But this is a a very shock to me. I come from the Netherlands and I have never seen like this that an idiot would go to a grave and go to soak on dead bones. Well that’s because I think I m not a christian, but a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you don’t know the difference between those two please read your bible. The difference between a christian and a disiple of the Lord Jesus Christ is a christian is a fan from Jesus, but don’t like what He is teaching and a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ is that this person love the Lord Jesus Christ AND what He is teaching. Do you know who s the real messiah from the Christianity…. it stays in Acts 8. Simon the Sorcerer. Now you see where these bewitched people in an evangelical package is coming from. Simon the Sorcerer.

    Back to this topic. If you found your hobby than it’s always good to follow your needs. But please don’t say that it is good to do to other people, because it isn’t.


    • Anonymous January 31, 2016, 7:39 am

      Jans, I disagree with your distinction between being a Christian and being a disciple. Christian means “little Christ” and was first used at Antioch, we are told in Acts. The people who were disciples in the Gospels were called Christians later.

      Within the Church there have always been those less committed and more committed, but our command from Christ is to love one another and not to judge the person, but to call out when we see sin or error. It is a very fine line to call out to our brothers and sisters and place ourselves as their judge.

      • Gustavo P Gianello February 17, 2016, 11:48 pm

        Hey anonymous,

        Christian does not mean little Christ. The Greek is Cristianos and in the case of the plural Christianoi and it merely means someone who follows Christ. It does imply that there is an anointing involved because the root is chrism. That is a reference to the Holy Spirit which every Christian receives at the moment of regeneration. If he does not then he is not a Christian. See: Romans 8:9. The baptism in the Holy Spirit is not a second work of grace. And it is not criticism to call out blasphemy heresy and necromancy. It is the essence of being a little Christ that you say what the big Christ would say. Read Matthew 24. Bye

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    I think that aimee simple mcpherson and katherine koolaid were questionable at the best. Apostle Paul wouldnt have endorsed them, let alone inhale their funky fumes. I have no time for these bone smokers.

  • Br. Levi September 9, 2015, 8:35 am

    You devil worhipping satanists. You need to get back to the kjv and get saved and stop making stuff up that is never mentioned as a scriptural practice. This is demonic, stupid, and comes from not reading your Bible. You liberals need to stop being so worldy as to fall for every dumb new age practice the ministers of satan feed you through bethel church or other sodomite institutions.

    • Anonymous December 9, 2015, 3:13 am

      Amen!! False prophets. The Bible says that many will come saying Lord Lord.Satan’s time is short and even the Elect are lead astray!

    • Anonymous June 7, 2016, 10:39 pm

      Are we all Christians here or not? Because to me it really sounds like we are tearing each other apart rather than building each other up. It seems as if we are trying to divide ourselves rather than create unity with our fellow brothers and sisters. God has called us to speak the truth in LOVE not in hate or pride. He loves us soo much and we ought to love one another (and show it) just the same! Yay!:)

  • Kim August 28, 2015, 3:28 pm

    So, how many sucks or how many can suck the same grave, and for how long? If you suck too much do you start coffin?

    • Anonymous September 11, 2015, 10:30 am

      Best comment ever!

      • Thirdday1 January 5, 2016, 8:58 pm

        Ditto, best yet!
        Sad that they’re so gullible.

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  • Lee A July 9, 2015, 1:30 pm

    This is the most stupidest thing I’ve read, and dangerous. What if the person they are laying on was an apostate? You could be sucking up a demon, even if the person was a believer your still open to demonic oppression. No where in the Bible, especially under the new covenant (Gospel of Christ), do read about grave sucking. Once a person receives the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, you have all of God’s power you need, and He is the one who decides who gets what gift, not a dead person.

    • Ivan September 21, 2015, 11:37 pm

      You read my mind. Although I do not think they “could be” receiving a demonic possession, I believe they are. If you look back at what the Devil requires from someone to become possessed: Your willingness, spoken acceptance, and a ritual (preferably one that mocks or slanders God) and you become open to the Devil and his demons. From what I read, that is text book “selling your soul.”
      Like you said, they do not know what they are inviting but it is not the Holy Spirit. If they are searching for the Holy Spirit then their church is in limbo…

    • Melinda French December 9, 2015, 3:35 am

      Exactly !!

  • jeff July 6, 2015, 11:12 pm

    An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign

  • John Hollar June 24, 2015, 8:34 am

    this is not Word of Faith doctrine

    • PJN August 27, 2015, 12:17 pm

      Correct. WOF gets blamed for everything.

    • John October 25, 2015, 1:37 pm

      This has nothing to do with the Word of Faith!

  • Anonymous June 14, 2015, 9:25 am

    Well I think everyone is missing the main point, when they reference Elijah. Elijah carried the mantle of the Holy Spirit before the Holy Spirit had been sent down to every believer. We all not only carry a mantle , we actually have an in filling of the Holy Spirit. Why than do we need to look further?

  • Dan Birchfield June 6, 2015, 5:08 pm

    What an incredible story. I’d never heard of this and I am amazed people are falling for it. I believe this grave sucking fad will pass away, mainly because it’s so absurd. The only place I can find in the Bible that might be related to this is in II Kings 13:21 where a dead man came back to life after his body was tossed into Elijah’s tomb and he came in contact with Elijah’s bones. But even using this passage as a justification for the practice is a stretch. God’s Spirit and power does not reside in a corpse. Period. The practice rings of mysticism and necromancy. You desire God’s power? Receive Jesus Christ as Savior, get into the Word, live a holy life, and pray without ceasing.

  • highrpm June 5, 2015, 5:58 pm

    sounds reasonable to me.

  • jay May 30, 2015, 10:06 pm

    This is both pathetic and funny at the same time.

  • Larry Morgenstern May 26, 2015, 5:52 am

    Just one more distraction by “form” over “substance.” Anything to take believer’s eyes off the necessity for an intimate relationship with the Father which Jesus emphasized throughout his earthly ministry. “Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?” Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ ” Matthew 7:20-23 NIV

    • Angel Nelson May 26, 2015, 1:31 pm

      Using His word…….that’s exactly what WE are suppose to do. I love it!!!!!

    • Ivan September 21, 2015, 11:43 pm

      +1 🙂

  • Koos May 24, 2015, 9:11 pm

    The only mantle grabbing I found mentioned in the Bible, are (1) Joseph’s mantle when he fled from sin and it was used as a false witness against him; and Saul grabbing Samuel’s mantle, tearing it and being told that likewise, his kingship shall be torn from him.

  • Pastor Wyatt Bartlow May 24, 2015, 5:00 pm

    And a strong spirit of delusion will come upon them in those days…. What kind of chuckle head would even begin to be seduced by such herisey? Our churches are either a social club or an off the edge fringe hyper (self) spiritual cult. Wake up Christian and do not be deceived!!

  • Jerelyn May 24, 2015, 7:39 am

    this is Idolatry..God is jealous God

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  • Missy May 23, 2015, 1:29 pm

    God is not the author of confusion. If adults cannot agree on their comments, how is this clarifying anything for these teens?
    Stop this banter about what each of these earthly men believe or don’t believe. Do what you know is right in the eyes of God. Pray for discernment.

  • Andre May 23, 2015, 5:28 am

    Do you know where you stand on the subject of speaking to the dead?


  • Oswald Williams May 23, 2015, 1:45 am

    If we should all go the grave of the departed to be empowered, and some are crazily seeing this to be the will of God, why didn’t Christ ask the apostles to gather at the tombs of the dead prophets before them? Instead he asked them to gather themselves at the upper room to pray. Through knowledge shall the just be delivered. God is too big to be in the tomb. What grave are we talking about? Is it not the same grave He conquered alongside death? If we as Christians should go back to the grave seeing power, what then is the prove that we have this resurrection in us. For as he is so are are we. God imparts you by Himself to be like Him. Not through the grave of another.

    • Angel Nelson May 26, 2015, 1:33 pm


  • Anonymous May 22, 2015, 9:06 pm

    That man touching the Prophets bones and coming back to life was only God fulfilling His promise to Elisha… When Elijah was carried away he asked Elisha what he wanted? Elisha responded by saying he wanted to perform twice as many miracles as his teacher Elijah had performed… Well, Elijah performed 10 miracles and right as Elisha died he had only performed 19 miracles so, in order for God to be true to His Word, He performed one last miracle thru Elisha, from his bones making it miracle number 20! Which is twice the number Elijah had performed!

    Grave sucking is of the devil, not The Lord! Be ye not deceived! Amen!

    • Denise Cowell Atkins May 23, 2015, 9:58 am


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  • Pam Hanes March 28, 2015, 10:56 pm

    “Soaking?” Huh?

  • Deborah McCallister March 26, 2015, 8:11 pm

    The word clearly says that if any one preaches
    Any other gospel than the one taught by the Holy
    Spirit through Paul the Apostal. They shall
    be cursed. Read Galatians for yourselves. Why do
    you chase after false gods. Listening to every
    Windbag of doctrine that comes by. Do not be
    decieved God is Not mocked!

    • Denise Cowell Atkins May 23, 2015, 10:01 am

      Deborah McCallister, YOU ARE RIGHT!!!

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  • Jason March 19, 2015, 1:08 pm

    Necromancy, plain and simple! Every mention of dealing with the souls of the departed is condemned in scripture. This is a demonic practice, and Bethel Redding is nothing more than the servant of this age

    • Anonymous May 20, 2015, 5:36 am

      All they are doing is inviting Devil possesion

  • John February 3, 2015, 12:24 am

    Church of the Laodiceans

    Without the foundation of the truth that comes by the word of God
    apostasy has entered the church and has became a poison defiling the hearts and minds of the unlearned .
    False teachings tickling itching ears under the disguise of political correctness making the truth a lie .

    leaven dreamed up in the mind of man taught as if it were from the Holy one but in truth has come from the mouth of the deceiver as it sorrows the whole batch .

    Even now it has became A plague where the unrighteous and unholy things are winked at and the truth of God and all that is truly Holy is hated

    This is the church age of the Laodiceans

    Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
    Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
    Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
    Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
    Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
    Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
    Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
    Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
    Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    • Peter Sherwood April 10, 2015, 12:38 pm

      You announce that this is the church age of the Laodiceans. How do you arrive at this pronouncement? Tell me of an age when error and lukewarmness did not warrant the same nomenclature. If you don’t use carefully explained points (and you explain just about nothing above), how are we to understand and weigh your arguments?

    • Anonymous May 22, 2015, 2:51 pm

      Beautifully said, GBU

    • Anonymous May 23, 2015, 3:51 am

      I agree with John, this is the time of the Laodicean church!!!

      • Alex Voon May 23, 2015, 9:04 am

        I agree with all John has said, this is the time of the Laodicean church. Many will be and many already are lovers of themselves unknowingly or knowingly hiding under a mask.

  • David Angus February 2, 2015, 7:35 am

    Last year I was in a meeting where Roberts Liardon was speaking over here in the UK. He is a renowned Pentecostal bible teacher and has written several books on church history called “God’s Generals”. Roberts comes from a long line of Pentecostal ministers and had a collection of revival memorabilia that he had collected through the years. He recently had sold that collection to Bill Johnson of Bethel for 1 Million dollars. Bill Johnson was then in the process of building a 3 Million dollar museum of revival at Bethel. In Roberts collection was the wedding dress of Kathreen Kulman! Oh dear the memorabilia under Bill’s teaching will become relics…Can you imagine what this “sucking up the anointing” nonsense will now become. This supernatural-Spirit-saturated-wonder-working garment will be “releasing” to the thirsty revival chasers? It beggars belief! They will come in their legions no doubt chasing the Bethel delusion, swallowing the lies and the deception…Spawning as it does many “Simon the Sorceror ministries” after it’s own kind…another expression of the vast merchandizing machine, fleecing the sheep. What “spiritual gymnastics” will the mindless have to perform to capture the wonder and glory of it all? Oh the lambs the lambs, the poor poor lambs, a whole generation being duped…following the pied piper, dancing to the tune of Bethel taking on board deceit, darkness and not a few demons for good measure in the many and varied practices of the occult that goes hand in hand with this “other” gospel from Bethel. If your church is being Bethelized, it normally starts with some teaching called “a culture of honour” this is a preprogramming, whilst giving honour where honoiur is due to leadership it very subtily removes the check, and balance, judgment and discerning that will ensure that you swallow hook, line and sinker whatever your leadership tells you or iniciates without question…hence doing away with discernment or the discerning of spirits…any dissenting voices, or questioning, leads to sensure, discipline and ostracism. As a friend of mine experienced…I would recommend a web site called “Rooftops and Rafters” where you can view many of the other errors being spawned by this work and documented by some who have been in it.

    • hakebomb May 7, 2015, 12:46 am

      Thank you so much for shedding much needed light on this delicate subject, especially, the teaching of “a culture of honor” which is taught and controlled Danny Lee Silk. I’ve always remained suspicious of this “ministry” in Bethel and unfortunately, my child’s mother is under the direct influence of Bethel Ministries via her own home church, an affiliate of Bethel and it’s supporters. Anymore information you have on this modern-day church which seem to be holding to the teachings of Baalam and Belak would be very much appreciated!

      *1 Corinthians 2:2*

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    We must know the truth. Where there is lack of knowledge, destruction is inevitable!
    Thank God for this avenue where peoples eyes are opened to the truth.

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  • JD Kent August 8, 2014, 1:26 pm

    Interesting that you quote people like Bill Johnson, not even talking about what you are trying to explain, and yet in 7 yrs of listening to /attending Bethel, I’ve never heard of such a thing as “grave sucking.” I only searched it because Beni Johnson posted that she wasn’t one, implying someone had called her one. I would suggest you stop spreading false reports, cuz I’m pretty sure the Bible has something to say about that. Why can’t Christian people just go out and love on people and spread joy instead of spending all your time attacking each other? I’m pretty sure that isn’t the great commission.

    • shaydn December 8, 2014, 8:06 am

      We must call out false prophets. The fact that Bill Johnson can be quoted on this subject at all should call to question his veracity in conveying other Biblical truths. This is not “bashing” it is warning. #mushychristianity

    • maryc February 9, 2015, 5:49 am

      I’m with you JD. The quote that was used from Bill Johnson has nothing to do with this article from what I can see. And the pictures are easy enough to manufacture to make it seem real. I am not familiar with this “grave sucking” thing either. What I am familiar with is: 2 Timothy 2:14-19English Standard Version (ESV)

      A Worker Approved by God

      14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God[a] not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved,[b] a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 16 But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some. 19 But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”
      I think we should be very careful accusing someone unjustly {bearing false witness}. The comment quoted by Bill Johnson says absolutely nothing about “grave sucking”. And if I ever heard anyone talking about it I would definitely challenge them on that. I feel this is nothing more than an attack on a man of God. While this “grave sucking ” may be happening I feel the author is misleading people into believing where it is coming from. It is unwise to attack God’s people.

    • Anonymous May 20, 2015, 5:38 am

      Because this practice cab send you to Hell. If you love them you will warn them of the consequences

    • Anonymous June 5, 2015, 5:07 am

      Love on people and spread joy? How bout truth through scripture. Truth of Jesus Christ?

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  • Timothy J. Duffy May 31, 2014, 9:17 pm

    I wrote a letter about bethel in reddings record searchlight and it got printed. It was intitled, people need to be aware of bethels practices. I would like to thank the guy that posted a link of youth apologetics training site about grave sucking along with my letter. It saved me a lot of explaination and it probably served better to warn all about bethel. Thanks for the back up.

  • Ashley May 30, 2014, 2:46 pm

    I understand that it is Christ in you and me and you which is the hope glory. Not in the bones of a loved one who has gone on before us. There anointing was for that day we need fresh anointing we need what is needed for this hour not last century.

    When it comes to anointing into the ministry, the gifts and calling of God are given by God not sucked up.

    I look at Aaron who is the natural type of the heavenly high priest and his anointing into the priesthood.

    Psalms 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron’s beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

    Aaron’s anointing flowed from the head all the way down his body.

    We see that Jesus had the Spirit without measure resting upon him then in Acts we see his Spirit was poured out upon his body the church and has continued to do so throughout the years.

    Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    So I look to the anointing that was on Jesus head and as member of his body I receive what he gave to the church. That self same Spirit that rose Jesus from dead has quickened my mortal body. As to our “in part” gifting and or ministry I just yield to the Spirit of God, I don’t need to suck anything up. You and I are born of the Spirit we have the cry of the Spirit ABBA. We have an inheritance, just like any other in the family of God, we are heirs of God and a joint heirs with Jesus.

    John 1:16 And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace.

    As for stating that this is a teaching of brother Bill, we’ll I have not heard this from out of his mouth, being Australia I don’t get hear everything. I can only look to those things I see and hear.

    Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

    Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IS IN YOU, the hope of GLORY:

    No need to suck anything up just need to be born again.

    Have a Kingdom Day!
    Romans 14:17 …….. righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in (me) earth, as it is in heaven

    • Ashley May 30, 2014, 3:07 pm

      I had submitted my thoughts without this final thought from the New Testament

      Why would you seeking the living God from amongst the dead?

      Luke 24:1-6 KJV
      [1] Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. [2] And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. [3] And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus. [4] And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: [5] And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? [6] He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

  • Doug Overmyer May 20, 2014, 12:36 pm

    While the grave sucking is weird and lacks wisdom, it demonstrates the hunger of some Christians to make fools of themselves to receive more from God. They are desperate, because God is so good, and they want power behind their love for the lost, even willing to be condemned by the discernment ministries, instead of gently corrected. Instead of judging, how about taking them aside and say, “I appreciate your fervor to receive a spiritual gift from God. But let’s pursue that in a different way, through prayer, fasting, and evangelizing, rather than laying on graves.”

    I know, I know, it’s hard for Christians to not judge or condemn, and to love others, especially easy targets. Those who fall into sexual sin, or pursue God errantly are easy to judge and hard to love. But try it sometime.

    The opening statement linking Bethel and Johnson to Word of Faith is laughably wrong… in fact, much of what has been said of Johnson is just… goofy. Here are 3 errant statements about Bill Johnson (and Bethel) followed what will be shocking and worth condemning, I’m sure.

    1. “Is Bethel (and Bill Johnson) part of the Word of Faith movement?!”

    No. There is nothing that ties Bethel Church to the Word of Faith movement, but since the Internet “discernment” ministries have been harping on WOF for so long, it is an easy slanderous title to throw onto a church that bears global fruit. Johnson was formerly in the Assemblies of God, until he changed his mind about dispensational view of history, and embraced a Kingdom of God mindset, a.k.a., George Ladd’s “The Kingdom of God” being here and not yet.

    2. “Johnson teaches we are little gods?!”

    LOL!! No. I suspect that they simply take Peter at his word and believe that we are Partakers of the Divine Nature (2 Peter 1:4) through faith in Christ Jesus.

    3. “Johnson is a leader of the New Apostolic Reformation, and teaches modern apostles are equal to Peter and Paul?”

    The NAR is a title that represents the third largest segment of Christians behind the Roman Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox, with 700 million believers and growing. Yes, in “Strange Fire”, John MacArthur said all of these believers are heretics and going to burn in hell. But MacArthur ain’t God. And many of those believers will gladly suffer persecution from the likes of MacArthur and others for God.

    No, Johnson doesn’t teach modern “apostles” should have their teachings canonized and added to the Bible, as Peter’s and Paul’s were.

    An “Apostle” is a government official sent ahead into a land newly conquered. The government sends these people to make the local culture ready for government to establish itself. The Roman Empire would defeat some nation’s army, sack the government, and then send apostles into the land to get things ready for the new government to take over.

    So what do apostles of the Kingdom of God do today? They spread the news that the Kingdom of God has won and is coming, with Jesus at it’s head to set up his administration, so you better get ready!

    4. Johnson teaches the Manifest Sons of God are a new breed of humans who will conquer the kingdoms of the world and take over the planet, establishing a one-world theocratic government, and Jesus can’t return until they do that??

    Wow. This summary of Bethel’s eschatology is laughably wrong. First of all, wanting to influence governments and movie industry etc., doesn’t equate installing a theocracy.

    Bethel Church has well over 300 staff members, so how can we definitively state what they teach and believe about eschatology? Different staff members hold different views… Some are for sure partial-preterists; others are post-trib… an so on.

    There isn’t a set eschatological view taught in Bethel, except that the Kingdom of God is here, and not yet, but will come fully when Jesus comes back.

    • Brittany November 9, 2014, 6:05 pm

      So true!! People don’t research for themselves and then condem the move of God they are experiencing! It’s just ignorance to say a word against a brother in the faith without looking into it more than just reading an article on the web. It’s easy for people to fabricate things about people because of jealousy. I am the type that does not believe what people say so easy but I believe the word of God. grave sucking is not my thing and it’s not Bill Johnsons either. That I have seen.

  • firespeaks April 2, 2014, 9:17 pm

    This is some crazy stuff! is there any wonder that John MacAuthur hate the charismatics?

  • Doug March 24, 2014, 11:13 am

    Luther was very adamant about sola scripture
    His writings against the Catholic Church was because they were doing things against the bible

    I hear people say God never changes but every new thing in a church is a new movement by God
    Either he changes or he doesn’t you can’t have it both ways

    • davideves March 31, 2014, 7:57 pm

      God certainly does change! He evolved from bloody animal rituals and living in a manmade box to dying on a cross as a human being.From thence he evolved into a trinity of beings and has been changing in his church ever since.And yes he repents often and changes his own mind.Just read your bible!

      • Anonymous May 15, 2014, 6:21 am

        Dude, you have it completely wrong. God never changes!! He is the same from the beginning till the end. It is us that always change. You need to actually read the whole Bible from the beginning till the end (KJV) and believe from the first to the last Word.

      • Chris December 2, 2014, 6:02 am

        Sorry davideves, but you really do need to study your Bible. God “evolved from blood animal rituals …” and then “evolved into a trinity of beings”?!?!?!?! The Trinity was involved in the creation of the world (Gen 1:1-2, John 1:1-3, etc.). The Triune Creator did not evolve! You, sadly, do not believe in the one true and living God of the Bible. I can only hope and pray that you come to a true understanding of and faith in our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

  • Chris March 20, 2014, 10:07 am

    So, somehow it is “apologetics” to misuse a quote (the ones from Bill and Cal) to try and prove that they teach necromancy? How do these quotes at all show what you conclude? I see NOTHING in their teachings, especially in these quotes, that suggests that an anointing should be sought at a grave. This is a fallacious article and full of slander of good men, with whom you apparently disagree with theologically. You should retract this article and send personal apologies to these men. And then check your motives and repent. Until this article is removed, you stand, Michael, as a liar, a slanderer, and possibly are poised to blaspheme the Holy Spirit by your implications against great men and women of God whom you doubt were led of the Holy Spirit.

    • SarahC March 31, 2014, 10:19 am

      That is perhaps because you have not watch countless videos of Benni Johnson and others directly saying that they are sucking the anointing off the people in the graves. Here is a quote from John Crowder in one of the videos:

      “And we’ve just come to the grave today to release to you an impartation of healing revival, of city building, restoration city-taking anointing, master-building apostolic anointing, and so we just rip it right out of the ground, we just suck it right off his dead bones, in Jesus name, and loose it to you., a healing-revival-glory-master-building-apostolic anointing glory…”

    • Anonymous May 13, 2015, 2:57 pm

      Bill Johnson is a false prophet who has a dangerous amount of control over his followers. I fear he may use his power in a terrible way. Feathers are blown thru ducts and claimed as angels, clouds are manufactured and labeled as the holy spirit. The man once claimed when he was in Asia the words of the bible turned into precious stones and gave the village much needed wealth…these people believe him without looking for reason. Bethel has control and cult written all over its doors. Be very careful as following a false prophet in Bill Johnson is a one way ticket to the hot house.

  • Kathryn March 19, 2014, 8:20 pm

    Awesome and biblical words Michael! Grave sucking is TOTALLY unbiblical! Thanks for taking the time to write this article. kathyn

    • Chris March 20, 2014, 10:00 am

      Yes, it is unBiblical. However, Michael offers no proof that the men he defames in his blog actually teach this. Bill and Cal most certainly do not. Michael needs to retract this article, as it is simply a lie and slanderous.

      • Anonymous September 16, 2014, 9:47 pm

        Hi Chris… Before I found this article I just got done watching the video of John Crowder doing the actual grave sucking prayer that Sarah C took the time to type up for you, which you didn’t respond to. I can assure you it is being done. Maybe these fokjs love God, and they’re just being misguided, and need to repent, but it is going on. Just before that I watched a video of some young people fom the same church doing this at the grave of Smith Wigglesworth. Maybe before you correct these people, you need to look these things up. I was shocked and awed that this is really hapening myaelf until I saw the videos. We need to pray. I love Bethel church, and the worship that has come from there etc.

  • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:47 pm

    2 Kings 13:20-22
    Amplified Bible (AMP)
    20 Elisha died, and they buried him. Bands of the Moabites invaded the land in the spring of the next year.
    21 As a man was being buried [on an open bier], such a band was seen coming; and the man was cast into Elisha’s grave. And when the man being let down touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.

    The unpardonable sin is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil, Satan. It is unpardonable because the Holy Spirit will depart immediately. It is the Holy Spirit that brings conviction of sin. Since He has abandoned the sinner, the sinner will die in his sins never even suspecting. You tread dangerous ground. It may even now be too late for you.

    Oh and by the way, Bill Johnson NEVER EVER said to take the anointing from a grave. He said anointed people die every day without passing on the anointing. Elijah passed the anointing to Elisha BEFORE HE DIED? In fact, Elijah did not die.

    • Rebekah Postlewait February 26, 2014, 8:46 am

      Thank you for clarifying this about Bill Johnson. I love his teachings and I’ve never ever heard him say anything remotely close to doing something like this!

    • Chris March 20, 2014, 9:59 am

      Thanks so much for the defense of Bill Johnson and the point about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which by implication this author has tread very close to doing in his bold-faced reviling of people who have served God with great power. His quotes from Bill Johnson and Cal Pierce have NOTHING to do with suggesting that people “grave-suck” (and I love how his link for explaining grave-sucking simply circularly comes back to his own article). His own conclusions are specious and fallacious and for an “apologetics” blog this should be entirely untenable and retracted immediately. After thousands of hours of study in the Bethel movement, including leadership training, conferences, books and podcasts, I have NEVER heard Bill or anyone associated with him approve of anything like “grave sucking”, which I agree is unBiblical. However, to use good men’s names (because you disagree with their theology and have your own agenda to defame them) to support a blog against a practice they don’t even teach is shameful.

      If I teach that drinking alcohol is permitted in Scripture, then go on to teach that drinking to excess is not Scriptural, this author would likely take pictures of drunken people and claim they were my disciples, misquote me saying that drinking is permitted in Scripture, then come to a conclusion for his readers that I told the drunks to go get drunk for Jesus. This author is disingenuous in his writing and he has zero capacity for logical reasoning, drawing conclusions not merited by the quotes, then compounding his error by posting pics that have no connection with the authors somehow to “prove” your point. The fact that so many blindly accept this blog’s assertions is evidence that there is little critical thinking going on in the church today, much less true discernment.

      This author is a liar. I have for him only the warning from Jude:
      But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.

      • R Maxwell May 18, 2014, 9:20 pm

        Blasphemy is also attributing something to God that is satanic. Which is what this practice is. This practice of hovering over graves to obtain a spirit is satanic and straight out of occultic practices.

      • Anonymous May 13, 2015, 3:22 pm

        Great power? That’s the problem. Bill Johnson is a capitalist Christian at best and a cult leader at worst.

  • mmh February 25, 2014, 6:19 am

    Is there a reason this post is essentially identical to one that’s three years old? And there’s only a few hater sites posting it? Definitely calls into question its validity. This is obviously a disgusting practice, but if you can only find the same story, same pictures, same quotes, over a three-year span, how prevalent can it really be?

    • Chris March 20, 2014, 10:02 am

      And it is unreliable, untrue and slanders good men. Even the quotes Michael uses don’t connect logically with his assumptions about their teachings, which these men emphatically do not support.

      • Al May 20, 2015, 7:33 pm

        Bud, you are playing the fool………what people barking like dogs ? oinking like pigs ? hissing like snakes ? is all OK is it ?, been to Bethel, seen that and walked out in disgust, grave sucking ?……Johnson is all OK is he ?………hmmmmmm…..yea sure !.

  • Dezsi {Deseree} Russouw February 20, 2014, 8:00 am

    This grave sucking is from the very pits of hell, the word of YHVH tells us that in the end days there is going to be a great falling away of the church, an apostate church, where anything and everything will be excepted, we are seeing this happening all over the place. We need to stand fast and firm on the word of YHVH, test ALL the spirits according to what YHVH’S word tells us and if it is not in the scriptures, reject it and walk away. Pray and seek the face of Elohim our creator in YESHUA’S name, and if you are not baptized with the Holy Spirit, as mentioned in Acts chapter 2, then look for a reputable church that is in line with the word of YHVH and get baptized, because it is only with the baptism of the Holy Spirit, [Pentecost] that we have the ability to discern the spirits, And when you are baptized with the power of the Holy Spirit and seek the face of YHVH on a daily basis, through reading HIS word and in prayer, and ask YHVH to confirm what is in HIS word, when you are in doubt and HE will always give you confirmation. It is only by walking close with our heavenly Father in YESHUA’S mighty name, through, reading HIS word and prayer, that we will not be deceived by false prophets and teachers.. Walk away from church doctrine and follow what the scriptures tell us and if you really want to get a clear modern and accurate translation, go to Google and down the ”COMPLETE HEBREW, ENGLISH TRANSLATION, it is the most accurate translation of the word of YHVH, Old and New Testaments.
    Ask YHVH to protect your mind from satanic lies and deception in YESHUA’S name. Shalom

  • Andy Iorio February 20, 2014, 7:32 am

    I have been walking with the Lord for over 30 years and it grieves me terribly that christian brothers and sisters can get caught up in such foolishness get back to the bible and stop interpreting scriptures the wrong way. Get back to Jesus (Hear Ye Him”)

    • Wade February 20, 2014, 7:59 am

      Wrong way? Who decides the right way?

      There are Scriptures that are clear, and there are those that are not as starkly defined and are therefore open to interpretation.

      Both Wesley and Luther believed that, unless the Bible clearly forbids something, the believer has freedom unless the Spirit says otherwise to him/her. Yet today, we have adopted the mindset that it must be explicitly affirmed by the Word to be acceptable. This was the viewpoint of Zwingli, whose theology was integral to the formation of the legalistic Amish/Mennonite version of Christianity.

      If you’re going to condemn other believers for “interpreting scriptures the wrong way”, you’d best be sure of the foundation on which you are standing.

      • JamesWatchman February 20, 2014, 8:46 pm

        This is no different to necromancy which the Bible condemns.

        Please explain to us how their use of 2 Kings to support this nonsense and subsequent ignoring of warnings against necromancy is Biblical.

      • Anonymous February 22, 2014, 6:23 am

        This is cursed. You are actually adding to the Word of God. I am baptised in the Holy Spirit and I have received my share of miracles, but the signs and wonders I hold to are..in the bible in Mark 16:17,18…nothing about laying on graves, in fact it is necromancy and forbidden by God.

        • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:49 pm

          2 Kings 13:20-22
          Amplified Bible (AMP)
          20 Elisha died, and they buried him. Bands of the Moabites invaded the land in the spring of the next year.
          21 As a man was being buried [on an open bier], such a band was seen coming; and the man was cast into Elisha’s grave. And when the man being let down touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.

          The unpardonable sin is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil, Satan. It is unpardonable because the Holy Spirit will depart immediately. It is the Holy Spirit that brings conviction of sin. Since He has abandoned the sinner, the sinner will die in his sins never even suspecting. You tread dangerous ground. It may even now be too late for you.

          Oh and by the way, Bill Johnson NEVER EVER said to take the anointing from a grave. He said anointed people die every day without passing on the anointing. Elijah passed the anointing to Elisha BEFORE HE DIED? In fact, Elijah did not die.

          • Anonymous February 26, 2014, 1:37 pm

            But what does “touched the bones of Elisha,he revived and stood on his feet” mean? Why are these two verses referred to?

  • Wade February 20, 2014, 7:03 am

    “Some supporters of grave sucking suggest that it’s because there was power left in the bones of the prophet Elisha. That is simply not true. The Holy Spirit does not hang out with rotting corpses. Elisha had prophesied before he died, about King Josiah’s victory over Syria (2 Kings 13:15-18). God was putting His divine stamp of approval on Elisha’s last prophecy. In other words, God was saying that it would come to pass.”

    This is speculation and conjecture. Where, in that 2 Kings passage, does it explicitly say that the man was raised to life to confirm Elisha’s last prophecy? Why do you get to be a Biblical literalist when it suits your agenda but then get to assert speculation as fact when you choose?

    I’m not settled on this “grave sucking” issue, but reading such inconsistent and hypocritical attacks as this sure doesn’t generate any affinity for your position. I’m much more inclined to take seriously the assertions of those who are humble enough to admit there are mysteries in the Kingdom and that we just might not have it all figured out.

  • Kevi Meru February 19, 2014, 4:15 pm

    Grave suckers are deceived and have given themselves over to satan (1 Timothy 5:15)… this is what happens to those who will not listen to sound doctrine and go after strange experiences… blessing hunters. What God has explicitly forbidden, these gullibles are chasing after with gusto. On their way to hell, unless there is realization and repentance. (2 Timothy 2:25-26).

  • Jamil Thomas February 19, 2014, 1:19 pm

    Dear Sir/madam,

    My name is Jamil Thomas 37 Christian from Pakistan. I have been teaching in the remote areas of Pakistan and I have been studying your articles from web and sharing the teachings with people over here. I have reached to more than 2500 people so far in these remote areas where people do not have access to True Gospel as you are teaching.

    Brother can you do the joint projects with me in Pakistan?

    I offer to translate the English matter into native language that is Urdu and want to print that so the maximum people can understand the Gospel in their native language.

    Let’s spread His Word together.


    • Andrew February 20, 2015, 3:28 pm

      Jamil, I would like to do that for you, if this author has not responded. Please send me an email to the.humble.beardsman@gmail.com. God bless you!

  • Monica Bankston February 19, 2014, 10:32 am

    Sounds incredulous too me :/

  • arjil February 19, 2014, 9:45 am

    You guys know this is Necromancy, right?

    • girlforgod April 1, 2014, 4:10 pm

      what is necromancy? And is it in the bible?

      • Pierre May 15, 2014, 6:38 am

        Yes necromancy is indeed in the Bible (KJV) not sure if it is in the other versions as I don’t consider them as the true Word of God. Go to http://www.purebiblestudy.com and download the free KJV Bible app. This is well worth the effort.

  • Barry February 18, 2014, 7:40 pm

    This in a nutshell is what Jesus spoke about in regards to the great falling away,the apostasty.He wasn’t speaking in regards 2 the world but the church,many will not hold fast 2 sound teaching but will give heed to doctrine’s of demons and strange doctrine.This is what w c happening,if people would read the scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit to open their eyes to see that this is false as well as blasphemous in God’s eyes.They do not love the truth!They r being swept up in this false movement and will continue to be so until the Lord returns,perhaps some will be saved I don’t know.God is merciful but he is also a righteous judge,I would not want to be in the shoes of any of these leaders who r promoting this error and leading their sheep down the path to slaughter.

  • Dan February 18, 2014, 3:19 pm

    Leviticus 19:31
    “Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
    Deuteronomy 18:9-12
    “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

    • girlforgod April 1, 2014, 4:33 pm

      So I don’t believe in this grave sucking, but since we are getting off the subject..lol
      In response to your quoting scripture, which by all means is true! How do you expain the transfiguration with Jesus and his couple of disciples in matthew 17 1-9?

  • Chuck Swift February 18, 2014, 1:52 pm

    We are just beginning a study in our informal Facebook group on where the Holy Spirit goes when a person dies. While this ‘grave sucking’ is an obvious perversion of the matter, it’s popularity among some is evidence of the Holy Spirit’s presence in the graves of those who wait.

    Here is the proof text from the New Testament: Romans 8:11 “But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwells in you.” Dwells in … dwells in.

    There are other spirits present in graveyards. That’s what the evil and the unlearned are invaded by. If a spirit can cause blindness and all other sicknesses as we are taught, wouldn’t they have the power to remove them to promote a false understanding?

    No one can snatch us from His hand. He guards us even in death.

    • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:52 pm

      Jesus said “A house divided cannot stand.” Devils kill, steal, and destroy, not heal and raise the dead.

    • Cindy Worthy September 23, 2014, 10:08 am

      very well said.

  • Terrie February 18, 2014, 8:38 am

    Do not apologize for losing it over this nuttiness. Someone posted this on my FB page, I had never seen your blog before today. I am in my 60’s and have had such a burden for young people in these movements. There is a pure speaking in tongues, etc. and there is a false. The youth today are being fed a lie. The Tod Bentley’s and Rick Joyner’s Bill Johnson and the Kansas City stuff has led young people down a sad trail. You see, there is a right path and it leads to God and it is it pure and holy. We don’t need “new” movements. The Lord has given us all that we need in His Word. Lately we’ve been listening to some preaching from Ireland. There are some real solid ministries there through “Take Heed Ministries”. I would advise anyone involved in this “grave sucking” to come out of this NOW. It is not of God.

    • Bill February 25, 2014, 6:54 pm

      If you think the church today is OK, then you know nothing of the church in the book of acts. The church today is very sick and needs the healer.

    • jbenner@peakperformancesalestraining.us April 13, 2017, 8:16 pm

      Great post! Your details are very helpful. Thanks for your work.

  • Rhonda February 17, 2014, 9:21 pm

    I converted to become Catholic a few years ago. So I’m sure what I say won’t exactly jive with this site.

    Anyway, just a couple ideas. I think that it is possible that God can use the relics of saints, either their bones or personal items, to heal people these days. Not because the objects themselves are special, but because God Himself can heal people. The faithful prayer asking for healing is directed toward God. I think it’s possible, not guaranteed.

    I also think it’s possible that God can bless people at preaching, teaching or prophecy. It’s up to God though. The way to pass it along is during the preacher’s life by discipleship and discernment from the Bible. Not some weird kind of embracing the spirit of the preacher at his or her grave.

    • Jackie February 18, 2014, 3:21 pm

      Hi Rhonda…
      Your conversion is exactly the OPPOSITE of mine;
      What was your original denomination, may I ask?
      Can I be instrumental in bringing you into DIVINE TRUTH?
      It would be a delight!
      You can even join my FB where we discuss all these issues.
      PEACE and LOVE

      Jackie Bourg

      • Chris February 19, 2014, 6:55 am

        No No, let me convert you, I am more holy. lol

    • Anonymous May 15, 2014, 6:45 am

      First thing wrong with the RCC is that they keep idols in their churches……how can we believe the rest of their preaching……..
      Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

  • Dave February 17, 2014, 9:05 pm

    For the first person to have had a vision, dream, or visitation from Bob Jones my money is on James Gall with Patricia king a close second,and honourable mention to Todd bentley if Rick Joyner allows him.One thing is sure the stories are bound to be a little hard to believe.

    • twitter@peakperformancesalestraining.us April 13, 2017, 7:52 pm

      It is refreshing to see when an article is written by someone who has a complete grasp of the subject matter, Thank You!

  • Anita Johnston February 16, 2014, 3:41 pm

    What is “bazar”?

    • lee hyder February 17, 2014, 11:23 am

      Do you not even see what’s going on here?!!? Our youth are being led to destruction, and ultimately, hell, by Satan and you’re worried about spelling!!? BTW, it means bi·zarre [bih-zahr]

      markedly unusual in appearance, style, or general character and often involving incongruous or unexpected elements; outrageously or whimsically strange; odd: bizarre clothing; bizarre behavior. Synonyms: weird, freakish, grotesque; fantastic; unusual, strange, odd. Hope that helps!

    • John V February 18, 2014, 10:06 am

      I think Anita is referring to the misspelling of bizarre.

      • Rhonda February 18, 2014, 11:49 am

        And the televangelist’s name is Benny Hinn, not Bene. I know a blog is not as formal as a high school or college English class, but spelling and grammar count. Using them well helps people to take the content seriously.

        • Donna May 15, 2017, 5:13 pm

          Hence Beni Johnson is using Mr. Benni Hinn’s name as her nick name! lol… Her real first name is Brenda.. Their all false and a rotten bunch of heretical fools.

          • Donna May 15, 2017, 5:14 pm

            Sorry I meant Benny..

  • Bart February 14, 2014, 10:38 pm

    Here’s a video of some Bethel students “grave sucking”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHPTs8cLls

  • Ashley February 14, 2014, 3:30 pm

    Thanks so much for the pictures!!!!!!!


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