What is Grave Sucking?

Have you heard of Grave Sucking?

Can the Word of Faith hyper-charismatic crowd get any more bizarre? What is with this new occult sounding practice often referred to as grave sucking?

Grave Sucking

When I first heard of grave sucking I assumed it must be a joke.  Surely no one would buy into something so silly.  Well my friends, this is for real.  Grave sucking or mantle grabbing is the belief and practice of pulling the supposed Holy Spirit powers from the dead bones of a previously empowered believer.  It is taught that when a Spirit empowered individual dies their mantle or mission dies with them.  In other words God’s mission for that believer was thwarted when that believer died.

There are anointings, mantles, revelations and mysteries that have lain unclaimed, literally where they were left because the generation that walked in them never passed them on. I believe it’s possible for us to recover realms of anointing, realms of insight, realms of God that have been untended for decades simply by choosing to reclaim them and perpetuate them for future generations.” Bill Johnson

Maybe that believer had a gift of healing.  Maybe they were an apostle, prophet or evangelist.  This of course assumes that they were actually empowered in these ways which I have serious doubts.  Whatever the case, now God’s plans for that particular anointing are placed on hold.  How does God correct this and get his plans back on track?

Grave sucking explained

We as believers must find a way to retrieve the mantle or anointing from the rotting corpse six feet under.  Only then can we get God’s plans back on track.  This is achieved by placing our hands on the gravestone of the deceased or lying on top of the grave.  Sometimes a prayer will be offered to God to aid in this perceived power transfer.

John Crowder grave sucking

I kid you not!  Some people actually believe this.  God’s plan has in fact been frustrated and now God needs us to seek out His lost anointing so we can bail God and His plans out. They believe that by laying there on the grave they will be able to pull the anointing from the dead.  It’s as if they believe the Holy Spirit is lost and doesn’t seem to realize that the person they empowered is dead and is no longer able to minister in this empowered way.  Suddenly the Holy Spirit senses someone is lying on the dirt six feet above His head.  The Holy Spirit, apparently not caring who is laying up there decides to jump into the new body giving them the supernatural abilities that the dearly departed once had.  Again this assumes that the person in the grave was in fact empowered by the Holy Spirit.

Benny Hinn Claims he Felt the Anointing at Mystic Aimee Semple McPherson’s Grave

I felt a terrific anointing when I was there. I actually, I—I, hear this, I trembled when I visited Aimee’s tomb. I was shaking all over. God’s power came all over me. … I believe the anointing has lingered over Aimee’s body. I know this may be shocking to you. … And I’m going to take David [Palmquist] and Kent [Mattox] and Sheryl [Palmquist] this week. They’re gonna come with me. You—you—you gonna feel the anointing at Aimee’s tomb. It’s incredible. And Kathryn’s. It’s amazing. I’ve heard of people healed when they visited that tomb. They were totally healed by God’s power. You say, ‘What a crazy thing.’ Brother, there’s things we’ll never understand. Are you all hearing me?” Benny Hinn

Grave Sucking or Mantle Grabbing is the Fast Track to Spiritual Power

For many who subscribe to hyper-charismatic type beliefs, it is thought that a person must spend much time and effort trying to achieved a state of Holy Spirit empowerment.  This is achieved by extensive prayer, worship, contemplative prayer, soaking, fasting and much more.  Mantle grabbing/grave sucking is seen as the workaround to achieving fast Holy Spirit empowerment.

“An inheritance in the natural can be anything a person values enough to leave to the next generation. It usually is either property or money and represents years and years of another person’s effort. If you receive an inheritance when you’re younger, say as a young, newly married adult, that inheritance can financially “jump start” your ability to have things that otherwise would have taken you years to attain. You might be able to buy a house, or live in a part of town only people higher up the corporate ladder can afford. You might be able to pay for your college education or buy a nice car. An inheritance allows you to start out ahead of where you would have been without it. With an inheritance, you receive for free what others worked to obtain.grave sucking 3

A spiritual inheritance works the same way. It enables us to start our Christian life at spiritual levels that might normally have taken us years to reach. Another generation’s “ceiling” in God can become our spiritual “floor.” Cal Pierce

“Lord, if a dead man can be thrown on the bones of Elisha and be healed, then I’m asking for the anointing that is on these bones of John G. Lake.” Cal Pierce

Does the Bible Support Grave Sucking?

First it must be stated that there is not a single scripture in the Bible that clearly describes grave sucking.  Are there any scriptures that seem to teach the concept of grave sucking?  There is only one.  That’s right.  The only scripture that even remotely comes near this subject is in 2 Kings.  It gives an account of a man coming alive after touching Elisha’s dead bones.

2 Kings 13:21  And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

Let’s look at this soberly.  Did this man who came to life receive Elisha’s mantle?  No?  Did he take up Elisha’s ministry and become a prophet of God?  No.  Did he receive any kind of Holy Spirit empowerment?  No.  The man received his life back and that’s it.   Why did this happen?  Some supporters of grave sucking suggest that it’s because there was power left in the bones of the prophet Elisha.   That is simply not true.  The Holy Spirit does not hang out with rotting corpses.  Elisha had prophesied before he died, about King Josiah’s victory over Syria (2 Kings 13:15-18).  God was putting His divine stamp of approval on Elisha’s last prophecy.  In other words, God was saying that it would come to pass.

God Decides Whom He Empowers

Our God is a sovereign God.  God is not one that we can manipulate.

1Co 12:11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

James 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

God Wants Us to Seek Him

Why would anyone want to seek a corpse for God’s blessing?  Does not God want us to seek only Him?

Isaiah 8:19  And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

grave sucking 4Grave Sites Were Considered Unclean

The Old Testament is pretty clear that visiting grave sites would make a person unclean.  Why would God suddenly encourage believers to seek the Holy Spirit in an area that is considered unclean?  Grave sucking is against God’s character.

Numbers 19:16  And whosoever toucheth one that is slain with a sword in the open fields, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days.

Why Doesn’t the Bible Explicitly Teach About Grave Sucking?

If the mantles or missions God gives to some individuals truly are thwarted when they die why doesn’t God say something about it in His word?  If believers could really get the fast pass and quickly receive the gifts of the Spirit why wouldn’t God clearly tell us in the scriptures?  Doesn’t this seem like a massive oversight on God’s part?

Grave Sucking Attacks the Divine Nature of our God

In this view of the Father we have a God who both gets his plans foiled because His Holy Spirit empowered followers die and then to make matters worse, forgets to tell His believers how to resume His plans by retrieving the powers from a grave site.  To make matters worse, it takes God several thousand years to realize He goofed and reveal this new information to His modern day “prophets”.


Grave sucking not only makes us believers look like complete lunatics, it also has absolutely no foundation in God’s word.  There is not a single scripture to support this nonsense.  God’s divine nature is also in jeopardy under this insanity.  Furthermore, why would God tell His followers to lie down on an unclean grave site to receive a lost portion of the Holy Spirit?  This is silliness my friends and we need to repent.  God is not happy about this blasphemous practice.  Lord Jesus please forgive us confused sheep.


The Three Types of Apologetics

The Three Types of ApologeticsThe Three Types of Apologetics

Israel Wayne

This article is intended to give a brief overview of the conversation I had with Israel Wayne about the Three Types of Apologetics.  Not only did we get an incredibly good look at what these different types are, we also had a great time in the process.  It was a pleasure having Israel Wayne on the show.  If you haven’t listened to the audio files associated with this article, you need to check them out.  And with that, let’s look at the topics we covered in the podcasts with Israel Wayne.

Evidential Apologetics

Evidential Apologetics is the branch of apologetics that attempts to give persuasive evidences for belief in the Christian faith.  Evidential Apologetics utilizes a cumulative case for belief.  In other words, evidential apologists will provide multiple lines of persuasive evidence to the unbeliever in hopes of convincing them of the truths found in the Bible.   It is an inductive approach to proving the claims of Christianity in that the evidential apologist will argue from particular lines of evidence to the universal truth of the Bible.  Some of these lines of evidence include historical, archaeological, experiential, prophetic, and rational evidence.

Historical Evidence

Historical evidence can be everything from the evidence for the resurrection, evidence for intelligent design, and examining extra biblical texts that corroborate the words of the Bible.  Some notable Apologists who utilize historical evidence would be Gary Habermas, Mike Licona, Josh McDowell, and Ken Ham,

Archeological Evidence

Archaeological evidence that could help support the claims of the Bible could be things like the discovery of Mount Sinai, Jericho, or Petra.  It’s been said that every time a spade hits the dirt in Israel, a skeptic is converted.  Archaeology continues to un-earth one discovery after another that confirms the truths found in God’s word.

Experiential Evidence

Experiential Apologetics encompass testimonies and supernatural experiences.  Experiential Apologetics are more subjective in nature and as a result some find this branch of Evidential Apologetics unconvincing.  Nonetheless, many unbelievers have been drawn to the faith by seeing changed lives and hearing powerful testimonies.  We want to be careful about claims of supernatural experiences as these types of experiences can come from many sources.  Mormonism, Islam and Christian Science all came out of claims of a supernatural/mystical experience.  We also need to be careful that we don’t rely solely on experiential evidence in our attempts to reach the lost.

Prophetic Evidence

The Old Testament is filled with hundreds of amazing accurate prophecies that foretell of the coming Messiah.  Our Bibles also give us prophecies of Jesus’ second coming.  This was one of the main reasons that I (Michael Boehm) became convinced that the Bible is God’s word.  No other book can accurately predict future events like the Bible.  This is one of the characteristics of the Bible that makes it stand out amongst all other faiths.  There is no doubt that prophetic evidence can be very convincing to an unbeliever.

Rational Evidence

Rational Evidence is a line of evidence that is primarily used in Classical apologetics but does show up in Evidential Apologetics.  Rational Evidence relies more on logical arguments to convince an unbeliever in the existence of a God.  Some examples of rational evidence type arguments would be the ontological, teleological, moral, and cosmological arguments.

Strengths of evidential apologetics

Evidential apologetics gives you reasons to believe that what you believe corresponds to reality.  In other words they can boost the faith of a believer when they see that their faith is based on powerful evidence.

Weaknesses of evidential apologetics

Evidential Apologetics are predominantly used by those in the Armenian camp (I’m not taking sides here).  There can sometimes be this feeling that if one doesn’t present the perfect most persuasive argument and the unbeliever is not convinced, then the apologist failed.  This can place quite a bit of stress on the one doing the witnessing if they feel that they are solely responsible for the salvation of the unbeliever.

Presuppositional Apologetics

The name Presuppositional Apologetics was formally coined by apologist Cornelius Van Til and popularized by Greg Bahnsen.  Presuppositionalists understand that everyone has presuppositions or starting points.  The starting point for the believer is that God exists and he has written His law on our hearts.  It is also presupposed that everyone deep down inside understands this.

Romans 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Presuppositional apologetics starts with the understanding that all of mankind is sinful and that they are in rebellion against God.  Presuppositional apologetics seeks to get to the heart of the issue which is the unbeliever’s sin and need for a savior.

Strengths Presuppositional Apologetics

It is true that God has written His laws on our hearts and that all of mankind knows of His existence.  Presuppositional Apologetics allows you to skip past the multitude of intellectual arguments and go straight to the heart of the issue which is their sin and need for a savior.  By skipping over the intellectual and personal objections you can get to the gospel every time.  Because of this, Presuppositional Apologetics has been proven to be a very effective tool in witnessing to a lost world.

Weaknesses of Presuppositional Apologetics

Presuppositional Apologetics often tends towards a hyper-Calvinistic position.  Because hyper-Calvinism puts a heavy emphasis on God being the one that does all the work converting the sinner, the hyper-Calvinist may not put as much passion and effort into witnessing.

Another potential drawback to Presuppositional Apologetics is that the sceptic might accuse you of begging the question.  They may feel that you’re not proving your point and that you’re assuming what you’re trying to prove.  This may be frustrating to the unbeliever.

Classical Apologetics

The emphasis of Classical Apologetics leans heavily towards logic and reason.  Classical Apologetics often focus on arguments for the existence of God.  Some examples would include; the ontological, teleological, moral, and cosmological arguments.  Apologists that gravitate towards Classical Apologetics would include C.S. Lewis, William Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias, Norm Geisler, J.P. Morleand, and Frank Turek.

Strengths of Classical Apologetics

Because Classical Apologetics emphasizes logic and reason they have an appeal to certain types of people.  Classical Apologetics seem to be most prevalent on college campus environments.  It is reported that the moral argument has been the most effective Classical Apologetics argument on campuses lately.

Weaknesses of Classical Apologetics

Sometimes the assumption is made that man’s real obstacle is intellectual rather than a sin problem.  In other words, if we can just give the right argument to overcome their objections, they’ll convert to Christianity.  This obviously isn’t true.

Often times, using Classical Apologetics can get you stuck arguing about the existence of God and you may never get to talk about the God of the Bible.  In other words, you set yourself up for many pitfalls and hang-ups on the way to presenting the gospel.  If you have time this is not an issue, but if we want to get our unbelieving friend to the belief in the God of the Bible, we need to focus on presenting the gospel.

What’s the Best Type of Apologetics?

As you can see there are times and places for all three types of apologetics.  I would take into account what objections your unbelieving friend may have.  Are they smoke screens concealing a deeper emotional objection?  What worldview does your friend currently hold?  Do they already believe in a creator God or are they an atheist?  Do they embrace postmodernism?  How much time do you have to witness to this person?  Is this a street corner encounter, or a longtime friend?

Bottom line; there is no silver bullet or magic formula here.  Ask as many questions as you can to understand where they are coming from.  Pray to God that he will soften their heart and guide you in this conversation.  Be humble and winsome in your conversations.  Examine yourself and make sure you’re not there to win an argument but rather to lead a soul to Christ.  Choose the direction you think is best and have a loving conversation.  Remember, it is God who ultimately converts the unbeliever.  God has given us the privilege and honor of taking part in the process.

Israel Wayne

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What is Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare?

New Apostolic Reformation

As we have been working our way through the series on the New Apostolic Reformation, the topic of Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare has come up several times.  What is Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare?

Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare (SLSW) is a host of various tactics used by the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) to win areas and peoples to the Lord all the while taking dominion.  If you want to learn more about Dominionism click here.  It is believed that demons rule different areas or territories.  These demons are believed to hinder God’s ability to act in these territories.  Another way that God is supposedly hindered is if an area has specific corporate sins that need to be repented of.  Methods used by the Nar to remove these hindrances are referred to as Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare.  The following are some of the ways that the NAR/Word of Faith movements conduct Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare.

Binding Territorial Demons

Binding territorial demons is one of the most popular SLSW strategies.  This is believed to be achieved in several different ways.  Often times an “apostle or prophet” will claim that god has revealed a particular demon over an area that must be bound.  This “apostle or prophet” will often give this demon a name or characterize it as a demon of (name the sin).  He or she will then elaborate on “God’s” battle plan for binding the demon.  These battle plans can include fasting, praying, massive prayer vigils, prayer walking, warfare prayer, pouring anointing oil in specific spots, blowing shofars and proclaiming the demons be bound in Jesus’ name.

In 2011 Cindy Jacobs and John Benefiel claimed that God had revealed that DC was being controlled by a demon named Columbia, so they organized NAR believers across America to remove Columbia’s influence.  This move was known as DC40.  Prayer and fasting was directed towards the removal of this perceived demonic threat.  To the NAR’s defense, I will add that there are pagans who believe a goddess named Columbia rules in America.  Whatever the case, their efforts proved to be fruitless.  Nothing improved.  Our nation is continuing to go downhill morally.

Some questions for NAR adherents:  Are we as believers supposed to be engaged in these types of activities?  Is Christ glorified when we participate in these endeavors? Does this have anything to do with the great commission?  Does God’s word command us to bind territorial demons for the purposes of taking dominion?

My experiences with Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare

I personally have taken part in activities like this in the past, when I was part of the hyper-charismatic/Word of Faith crowd.  I always felt like we were doing battle against imaginary monsters.  A “prophet” would claim that there was a demon of such and such that we must engage.  We would then come up with a plan “from the Lord” to take this demon down.  Once we followed the formula that God had supposedly given us, we would see no real change.  Things would continue on as they were.  After all the embarrassing goofy things we did to fight the “demon” nothing changed!  We did exactly what the prophet had said.  If God had really ordered this whole escapade, don’t you think we would see real results?  The God we see in the Bible doesn’t make mistakes and He doesn’t mess around.  When God told prophets to perform certain often strange prophetic acts, such as marching around Jericho and blowing shofars, real results would follow.  No one doubted whether the wall fell or not.  When God’s people followed what God had told them to do, amazing tangible miracles would take place.  When these false prophets claim God told them to take action in a specific way, and the people follow the specific orders, nothing happens.  It’s a farce.  The people have been duped yet again.

C. Peter Wagner, the most authoritative voice amongst the New Apostolic Reformation movement recognized this problem.

“Since 1990, as I have explained, city transformation has been high on our priority lists. That, as I write this, was 15 years ago. Our best top-level Christian leadership has been involved with this in city after city across America. God has been providing incredible new tools for getting the job done—tools such as identificational repentance; spiritual mapping; strategic prophetic prayer; massive all-night, stadium prayer events; strategic-level spiritual warfare; prayer journeys; pastoral unity; and the concept of the church of the city. In addition, Bill Bright, Elmer Towns and others made fasting popular, and I would guess that somewhere around half of American evangelical pastors have now experienced 40-day fasts.  However, we cannot point to a single city in America that has been transformed in all of those 15 years!” C. Peter Wagner

C. Peter Wagner said this in 2005.  We still don’t see any miraculous changes coming from this nonsense! Why aren’t the abortion clinics in these towns shutting down?  Why aren’t the strip clubs closing?  Why don’t we see some real results?  If God was orchestrating these battles, wouldn’t you expect some real obvious tangible shocking results?  Quite simply, God is not in this stuff.  He is not speaking to these false prophets and apostles.  Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare as presented by the New Apostolic Reformation is joke.  Friends, it’s time to repent and leave these false prophets.  Let’s turn our hearts back to the Lord.

Tactics of Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare

The following are some of the tactics that you often hear about concerning SLSW.

Warfare Prayer/Worship

Warfare prayer and worship is the practice or belief that we can pray or worship in a fashion that penetrates the dark side.  It is believed that they can actually do damage to the enemy by warfare prayer and worship.  Sometimes warfare dances are added to the worship to strengthen the effect of the warfare.

Prayer Journeys

By having boots on the ground in the targeted area, it is believed that SLSW can be more effective.  A prayer journey is when NAR believers will travel to whatever area they believe God is leading them to for the purposes of conducting on the ground Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare.  They will then prayer map the area and begin the process of identifying their battle plan.

Prayer Mapping

Prayer mapping is the practice of mapping out areas and looking for demonic strongholds and sin that need to be broken or bound.

Identificational Repentance

Identificational repentance is the practices of discovering the sins of an area for the purposes of mass repentance.  I have nothing against repenting of sin.  I think that’s great.  The problem is when these “apostles and prophets” start claiming that God revealed something to them about the area they are engaging.  These men and women are false prophets and apostles.  They are not communicating with the Lord.

Breaking Generational Curses

Sometimes areas or citys are believed to have some kind of a generational curse associated with them.  There are many strange ways that these NAR “apostles and prophets” attempt to break these alleged generational curses.  Some of the tactics used to break these generational curses are, mass repentance, fasting, pouring anointing oil at targeted spots, warfare prayer or worship, and simply declaring the curse broken “in Jesus name”.  Again, no real results come from these odd and embarrassing tactics.

Closing Portals

It is believed that portals can be opened to demonic realms.  NAR “apostles and prophets” believe they can locate them and close them.  I personally believe that demonic portals may exist but I don’t believe these “apostles and prophets” have the ability to perceive where these portals are, nor do they have the ability to close them.  Again, nothing changes after these alleged portals are closed.

Submitting to your covering

Another way to increase your effectiveness as a spiritual warrior is to submit to your network of apostles and prophets.  These “apostles and prophets” are sometimes called one’s covering.  By aligning with and submitting to your covering, you are aligning yourself with God’s will therefore increasing your effectiveness in Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare.  This is sometimes referred to as covering theology.


Should Christians be resisting the works of the enemy?  Yes.  Should they be following these NAR false prophets and participating in their ineffective Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare tactics?  No.

2 Corinthians 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

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Dominionism Refuted

Dominionism RefutedIs Dominionism biblical?

Adherents to Dominionism believe that Christ has commanded them to take control of the seven areas of society for the purposes of eventually taking dominion over the entire world.  Influencing these seven areas is often referred to as the Seven Mountain Mandate.  They believe that Christ cannot and will not return until they have completely taken dominion of the whole earth.  Then when Christ returns, they will hand him control of the nations of the world.  Is Dominionism biblical?  Do we see believers in control of the nations of the world in end-times prophecy?

Will Christians Take Dominion in the Last Days?

End times Bible prophecy does not support Dominionism.  Rather, we see that God’s church, is being hunted down and persecuted by beast.  The following scriptures thoroughly refute the concept of Dominionism.

The Beast Makes War Against the Saints and Prevails

Revelation 13:7-8  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.  (8)  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This doesn’t exactly sound like the church triumphant taking dominion over the world.  This one scripture, all by itself, easily refutes the entire idea of Dominionism.  The Antichrist is depicted as overcoming the saints.  He is also given power over all nations and causes everyone who is not a believer in Christ to worship him.  I don’t see any way around this.  Dominionism does not match up with Bible prophecy.

Jesus Refutes Dominionism

In Mathew 24 Jesus is asked about the end days and the sign of His coming.  Read the following description Jesus gives to His followers concerning the last days.  See if you can see any indication that Christ’s followers will be taking dominion.

Matthew 24:3-31  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?  (4)  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  (5)  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.  (6)  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.  (7)  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.  (8)  All these are the beginning of sorrows.  (9)  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.  (10)  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.  (11)  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.  (12)  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.  (13)  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.  (14)  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.  (15)  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)  (16)  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:  (17)  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:  (18)  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.  (19)  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!  (20)  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:  (21)  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.  (22)  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.  (23)  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.  (24)  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.  (25)  Behold, I have told you before.  (26)  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.  (27)  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.  (28)  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.  (29)  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:  (30)  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  (31)  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did Jesus teach Dominionism?  No!  Absolutely not.  The end times will be perilous times for the believers that remain on the earth.

Another Scripture Refuting Dominionism

Revelation 13:11-18  And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.  (12)  And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.  (13)  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,  (14)  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.  (15)  And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  (16)  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  (17)  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  (18)  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Again, does this sound like the church has taken dominion?

Things are Getting Worse, Not Better

Dominionists believe that as they take control of the seven mountains, things will continually get better and better.  That’s not at all what we see in the scriptures.

2 Timothy 3:13-15  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.  (14)  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;  (15)  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 

1 Timothy 4:1-2  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;  (2)  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Jesus said “My Kingdom is Not of This World

Dominionism is often referred to as Kingdom Now Theology and teaches that we are to advance God’s kingdom here on earth.  C. Peter Wagner said it this way.

Dominionism. This refers to the desire that some of my friends and I have to follow Jesus and do what He wants. One of the things He does want He taught us to pray for in the Lord’s Prayer: “Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” This means that we do our best to see that what we know is characteristic of heaven  work its way into the warp and woof of our society here on earth. Think of heaven: no injustice, no poverty, righteousness, peace, prosperity, no disease, love, no corruption, no crime, no misery, no racism, and I could go on. Wouldn’t you like your city to display those characteristics?

Kingdom Now/Dominionist thinkers continually make a big deal about advancing the kingdom, but what does Christ say about a kingdom on earth?

John 18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

 In context, this verse is taking place before the Crucifixion but you can’t deny that this verse addresses the idea of believers fighting or striving to establish God’s kingdom on earth.

 Flesh and Blood Cannot Inherit the Kingdom of God

1 Corinthians 15:50-52  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.  (51)  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,  (52)  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 The Bible Debunks Dominionism

As you guys can see, the Bible not only doesn’t teach Dominionism, it refutes it.  There are many other scriptures we could look at that speak about the end times condition of believers.  Again, you don’t see a church taking dominion.  What we see is a church struggling to survive until Christ returns and establishes His kingdom.

Dominionism Via Seven Mountain Mandate or Winning Souls?

Now that we’ve seen that the Bible refutes Dominionism, how should we influence society for the Lord?  We do it one soul at a time through the preaching of the gospel.

Matthew 28:19-20  “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:  (20)  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

As we take part in the Great Commission and lead people to Christ, we naturally change society.  As each new convert reads the Bible and is washed by the water of the word, they will in turn take their new found faith and values to the world.  As history has shown, the more believers in Christ there are in a culture, the more the culture looks and feels Christian.  Again, this is not forcing biblical morality on unbelievers.  This is believers living a biblical lifestyle as they submit to God and His word.
Don’t miss my podcast series on the New Apostolic Reformation as well as my series on Dominionism below.  Look forward to more articles on this subject in the coming days.

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Is Astrology Biblical?

In the following Podcast series we look at what Astrology is.  We will discuss methods people use to try to gain astrological insights into their future as well as insights into their own characters.  We discuss the zodiac and how it is supposedly used to tell the future.  After this series you will understand more about how astrologers come up with their fortune telling astrological charts than the average observer of astrology.  We will then look at the incredibly flimsy evidence that astrology works.  After that, we will prove that astrology does not work.  Lastly, we will look at what the Bible says about astrology.



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